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SWEET! A gear whores delight. Good change for folks to pick up a Christmas present for their loved ones. Of course, you realize Graham, that you are staging this in prime time - when all of us crazy yoots are out running around in the woods.

I'm glad I'm not the only one. Until they moved out, I use to have my kids yelling at me too! "Come on dad, watch the road!!"

Good question (4 times LOL). Isn't next Feb crunch time in Eurozone land? So we'll see, and I don't think it's gonna be good given the situation in this country of borrowing excessively, spending excessively, and letting our current accounts go into the toilet. Hey, maybe we can print even more money? Historically that always leads to some fun and games. Let's call it Quantitative easing so that at least we look smart. Anyone who hasn't stocked up on food, water and all the things you need should seriously consider it now before the shit hits the fan. Tip, Mountain House #10 tins have a shelf life of over 25 years and at various times are available in packages at Costco. Oh, btw, in Germany right now, you cannot get a safe deposit box, they are all rented. Not a one to be had as folks rush to put gold and silver in them. They remember the last hyperinflation, and it didn't make them happy.

Slick idea! Cough* price list * Cough* http://www.icaro2000.com/Products/Pricelist/HG-Motorisation-10-2-1-Retail.pdf

OMG! Did they already make it though this one?

AND WHAT ABOUT ALL THE GRAFITTI ARTISTS WHO NEED TO EXPRESS THEIR ART???? AND YOU MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE A TENT IF YOU DON'T MAKE A RESERVATION? WTF? Sorry, couldn't resist.

Yo. My bitchez and ho's

I'm calling mistaken identify. 6oz is what they found? Pffft, that ain't Willies bus, maybe that was Lawrence Welks bus. Besides, if this is this the police trying to make us safer, they ain't doing it. Glad to know that they have finally must have rounded up all the rapists, murderers, father stabbers and mother rapers in that part of the world that they have all this free time to go harass an honorable, honest and older citizen going about his business. What a bunch of bullshit.

No Off, he's just pointing out that there were systemic issues.

Really? Then did the Acorn workers who called the police on the fake pimp get fired for violating company policy? The correct answer was No. There were 12 offices visited, at least 2 of the 12 called the police. Juan Carlos Vera of the San Diego office phoned the police: http://www.10news.com/news/20975217/detail.html Katherine Conway Russell of the Philadelphia office phoned the police: It has also been said that "the LA ACORN employees should have reported the pair to police, but it is also worth noting that O’Keefe and Giles concocted a story that included violent gangsters and criminals. In poor communities especially, law enforcement is not known for its ability to protect those who report crime." Perhaps the bigger problem with Acorn is that in an attempt to help the down trodden, they often hired undereducated workers who were not over trained.

Tim...2 part question. How long did you live in Spain? Can you share some of it or a link to a TR? Bill

Somehow I have the feeling that a large group of various individuals could easily have a bunch wild hairs here and there while trying to do the right thing systematically. (ie, that one of them was caught and convicted for armed robbery doesn't mean that this organization was encouraging their workers to do that kind of thing, etc etc) The Acorn news seems less willful and malicious to me than what the guy who started to take them down "James o'Keefe, did next http://www.politico.com/static/PPM145_new_012610.html and next http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/29/james-okeefe-cnn-abbie-boudreau_n_743313.html . For the first "prank" at the Senators office he was found guilty and sentenced to serve 3 years probation, 100 hours of community service, and pay a $1,500 fine. Turns out that they actually were not planing on wiretapping the place, but were trying to do an Acorn and film by lying who they were. Read more on that one if you wish and this is Fox, judgmental and unbalanced: http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/05/26/a-guilty-plea-from-james-okeefe/#ixzz16UuMxhxr http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/05/26/a-guilty-plea-from-james-okeefe/ That Breitbart appears to still employ him at http://biggovernment.com/jokeefe/ seems to me a discredit to any web site professing to get to the truth. In such situations my mom always pitched this ancient proverb to cover it: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions". Don't know what laws were broken or if he will serve any time for the "prank" on the CNN reporter. I suppose that this would all have a certain harmony if he serves jail time as a cell mate with that Acorn guy you note that was caught in an armed robbery. "O'Keefes statement for the first arrest: "Statement from James O’Keefe by James O'Keefe The government has now confirmed what has always been clear: no one tried to wiretap or bug Senator Landrieu’s office. Nor did we try to cut or shut down her phone lines. Reports to this effect over the past 48 hours are inaccurate and false. As an investigative journalist, my goal is to expose corruption and lack of concern for citizens by government and other institutions, as I did last year when our investigations revealed the massive corruption and fraud perpetuated by ACORN. For decades, investigative journalists have used a variety of tactics to try to dig out and reveal the truth. I learned from a number of sources that many of Senator Landrieu’s constituents were having trouble getting through to her office to tell her that they didn’t want her taking millions of federal dollars in exchange for her vote on the healthcare bill. When asked about this, Senator Landrieu’s explanation was that, “Our lines have been jammed for weeks.” I decided to investigate why a representative of the people would be out of touch with her constituents for “weeks” because her phones were broken. In investigating this matter, we decided to visit Senator Landrieu’s district office – the people’s office – to ask the staff if their phones were working. On reflection, I could have used a different approach to this investigation, particularly given the sensitivities that people understandably have about security in a federal building. The sole intent of our investigation was to determine whether or not Senator Landrieu was purposely trying to avoid constituents who were calling to register their views to her as their Senator. We video taped the entire visit, the government has those tapes, and I’m eager for them to be released because they refute the false claims being repeated by much of the mainstream media. It has been amazing to witness the journalistic malpractice committed by many of the organizations covering this story. MSNBC falsely claimed that I violated a non-existent “gag order.” The Associated Press incorrectly reported that I “broke in” to an office which is open to the public. The Washington Post has now had to print corrections in two stories on me. And these are just a few examples of inaccurate and false reporting. The public will judge whether reporters who can’t get their facts straight have the credibility to question my integrity as a journalist. The government has now confirmed what has always been clear: No one tried to wiretap or bug Senator Landrieu’s office. Nor did we try to cut or shut down her phone lines. Reports to this effect over the past 48 hours are inaccurate and false. As an investigative journalist, my goal is to expose corruption and lack of concern for citizens by government and other institutions, as I did last year when our investigations revealed the massive corruption and fraud perpetrated by ACORN. For decades, investigative journalists have used a variety of tactics to try to dig out and reveal the truth. I learned from a number of sources that many of Senator Landrieu’s constituents were having trouble getting through to her office to tell her that they didn’t want her taking millions of federal dollars in exchange for her vote on the healthcare bill. When asked about this, Senator Landrieu’s explanation was that, “Our lines have been jammed for weeks.” I decided to investigate why a representative of the people would be out of touch with her constituents for “weeks” because her phones were broken. In investigating this matter, we decided to visit Senator Landrieu’s district office – the people’s office – to ask the staff if their phones were working. On reflection, I could have used a different approach to this investigation, particularly given the sensitivities that people understandably have about security in a federal building. The sole intent of our investigation was to determine whether or not Senator Landrieu was purposely trying to avoid constituents who were calling to register their views to her as their Senator. We video taped the entire visit, the government has those tapes, and I’m eager for them to be released because they refute the false claims being repeated by much of the mainstream media. It has been amazing to witness the journalistic malpractice committed by many of the organizations covering this story. MSNBC falsely claimed that I violated a non-existent “gag order.” The Associated Press incorrectly reported that I “broke in” to an office which is open to the public. The Washington Post has now had to print corrections in two stories on me. And these are just a few examples of inaccurate and false reporting. The public will judge whether reporters who can’t get their facts straight have the credibility to question my integrity as a journalist." He's been kind of quiet on the second one.

I went skiing today and thought of this thread a tad. Basically thinking that what I was going to say has been said now. Thanks Lazy A and Lazy Larry!

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2010/11/mexican-marines-reconstruct-death-of.html

No way jayb, bad data for the points you are striving to make. Franky I'm surprised you linked those 2 studies. I buy into the point that large agribusiness is more efficient than local farms. Your second opinion piece makes the point that the consumer driving to the store and cooking the stuff is the largest energy consumption of the process. Yet why would driving to the store, buying and cooking the product flown over from China or Spain be less consumptive than buying the local product and making the same drive home and the same cooking method? Bad point on his part. I support having more food instead of less and am happy for the modern scale and transportation available for me to enjoy the benefits of. However, that there are a lot of cost associated with the larger farms that are hidden and still picked up by taxpayers is undoubtedly true and the minutia of how bad it is can be debated for eternity as well, yet no one, even big agribusiness, claims that it doesn't exist. The debate is only the extent of it. http://www.cnr.berkeley.edu/~agroeco3/modern_agriculture.html Perhaps I missed these important points in the studies. Where does the Swedish study, for example, say that eating your broccoil (spagetti, coucous etc) out is better than home cooking it? Nor does it compare anything about long supply chain vs local grown? I missed it. Th second study makes the point that a large ship is much more cost effective than a car to the grocery store, but we are all at a loss on how to get a large ship to make regular deposits of small loads of vegetables at our door. In fact that "study" (perhaps we should say "link") in particular, shockingly had even less facts and even more opinions than the usual Pat Galleger egotistically demented loud-diarrhea of the mouth blathering on this site. LOL, a rare and unusual thing indeed. For myself, as I live in a wet part of the country and don't drive 50 miles to get fish for use as fertilizer, the tomatoes we grow from seeds is significantly better for the carbon footprint than driving to the store for cardboard taste tomatoes shipped up from Mexico. They get some water during the hot part of summer, but other than us wandering through the patch to pull the odd weed, very little energy is used. We plant them, pick them, eat them. Far as that goes, I walk to the farmers market, and although I can't say what kind of energy costs are utilized in the production, it is much more efficient than me driving to the large box store. Your links do not seem to study this. But regardless, I like the quality and flavor better than large agifarmed products anyway. If you have found an alternative to refrigeration other than a root cellar, please share it. In regards to cooking it, I don't see the savings unless perhaps you are looking at a JR Simplot farmed and processed french fry over a baked potato. However, that wasn't in your studies unless I missed it. Certainly the scale of freezing them at the store has a nice economy of scale to it, but when you buy them in that little frozen bag and bring them home, you have to put them in your freezer. You're saying that this is more economical than growing your own potatoes? Just tossing a few eyes into your back yard and covering them with straw or grass, then coming back months later and tineing them out the potatoes at the end of the growing season with a pitchfork? I can't see how that is. For myself, the brief respite of eating cardboard tasting Tomatoes, of smacking into a juicy, complexly rich and varied taste succulent tomato picked from my garden, give me a rich satisfaction of knowing that it both tastes better, and is better for the world. The point I take away from you your 2 links is to put a lid on the cooking pot and-or pay attention to how you are preparing your food. Duh

I always wondered why it was free to hang there. I liked it, but thought that someone must be getting stuck re-roofing and doing maintenance. Always wondered who. $15 is reasonable, and perhaps it will keep the dickhead quotient down, I've heard of a couple of folks leaving some gear there to day trip up onto the mountain and being ripped off.

Depends on the rock, the size of the bit and the drill. John Middendorf thinks he owns the record for fastest time to drill the hole AND place a 1/4 x 1 Rawl stud into granite (El Cap). 47 seconds I think he said. Nothing short of amazing. The drill bits were a different type back then and a tad faster than todays common cobalt tipped ones. If you are interested, the hammers used for that speed record are just coming back into a single run production of slightly more than 250 hammers and will be available again for a short time. Look on Supertopo for the D5 hammer. 15-20 min for a 3/8" diameter x 2-1/2 long into Granite or Basalt would be reasonable. Less for sandstone, and limestone. Those rocks are all over the map on hardness, so you'd have to ask someone who has actually drilled into it to tell you. Conglomerates are way different as well. Beacon Rock seems harder than some of other basalts and andesites too. I'm not saying that to start another Columbia River forum argument but to point out that about all locations have the potential to vary. In fact, a single location can have radically different harness's. Go climb Young and the Worthless at Smith and when you top out, after having to had kicked steps in to the soft rock that overlays what is a magnificent hard red band below you'll see what that's about. Closer to home if you walk the base of both farside and Ozone, those little mini basalt flows both break down on the East end and the hardness of the rock is less than on the west end. You'd have to ask a person drilling into whatever rock you are thinking to get a better response. Some info comes out on this thread by various folks: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1298944&tn=0&mr=0 You've piqued my curiosity though. At the risk of having Dwayner show up and be a dickhead, perhaps you can share some more?

LOL, we should talk slow for the clueless idiots like Pat who don't understand a damn thing but let their lips flap anyway.

I wonder how much $ you wanted, where you live, and what your email address is. ...any pictures? Condition>?

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1326037&tn=0&mr=0 This rework of the no longer mfg venerable A5 hammer has finally come to fruition thanks to a diverse group including some Pac NW locals. Click the link: read it and buy one now afore they are gone forever if you are looking for a wall hammer or just a rare and unusual hammer for bolting.

Husband died. Cancer. She won't accept food stamps or welfare. In fact she kicked the welfare people off her porch once when they showed up explaining such. They felt that programs like that were made with people like her in mind. She gets a small amount of Social Security each month which varies for each kid, the youngest is almost a negative number though, which isn't viewed as a hand out, but in fact the money he had taken from him while working now coming back.

LOL, got it Murray! Thanks, and your earlier point on the benefit of taxing consumption to encourage savings and investment is well said as well sir.

It's no a rising tide. Tides going out Prole. The fucks who are resorting to being personally offensive to try and make a point: if you have to turn away from making a point to spit invectives at others: YOU AIN'T GOT A FUCKING POINT. Or you don't have the brains to make one. Murrays, Fairweather and anyone who supports the national sales tax to replace an income tax. Look dudes, the woman with 3 kids buying each of the little fucks $20 pairs of shoes is faced with a MANDATORY tax on those shoes which, as a PERCENTAGE of the disposable she has, is significantly higher than the guy who is buying the $1500 Bruno Magli (think OJ here) shoes. Furthermore, for the rich guy, its a voluntary tax. He can pay the same as the poor woman, and frequently will. It's his choice. The poor woman with 4 kids has NO FUCKING choice. Her only hope is that the government will FINALLY GET THEIR FUCKING EXPENSES AND OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING back to reasonable levels so that they might shake her down for less. But shake her down they will because the kids still need shoes. While for the rich man, it remains voluntary if he wants to pay a rich mans tax or a poor persons tax: totally his choice. He can, IF HE WISHES, pay the same shoes as a poor person. She has NO choice. In fact, more importantly, look at the percentage of their net worth which a poor person WHO HAS NO EXCESS DISPOSABLE INCOME will pay tax on for a fucked up beater POS Taurus that barely runs. Compare it to the net worth of a rich person, who will still bank $600,000 more this year than he is spending and doesn't give a rats ass that the tax on a $100,000 Mercedes is. I'm a rich enough man myself who will be laughing all the way to the bank at the suckers getting hit by it. Regardless of my personal game, it's still an unfair and morally bankrupt thing to do and very very wrong to do that to desperate people. You can say that the percentage a poor woman is paying for shoes for her children is less than a rich dude and you may think it is fair, yet when the percentage of their net worth is both mandatory and significant for the poor person vs somewhat voluntary and insignificant to the point of absurdity for the rich guy. Despite the cries that 47% of the citizens will even not pay income tax, it is still fair. And if we could get the tide to rise, more of the folks on the bottom will we paying, so that the 47% figure will decrease. So a rising tide will lift all boats Prole. Let me phrase this in real terms. A rich man paying $10,000 (10% tax) on a $100,000 car is often paying an insignificant price compared to the devastation and pain a poor person feels paying $30 on the price of a $300.00 vehicle. For the poor person, $30 might mean just being able to eat as a 25 lb bag of beans and rice is much less than that together. So for a rich man, $10,000 tax on a car might mean that he only puts an extra $590,000.00 into his bank account that year on top of the mega millions he has piled in there making him big bank on the interest alone each year, while for the poor person, they might be able to buy some fucking butter or other "extravagance" for their family. They have NO extra income. It all MUST go out just to survive. $30 is crippling and painful to them. Really. Not to me. Not to you. But to them it is. Hope that makes sense to you folks. I'm sure you are good people, but we MUST get our government expenditures down for both the poor and the rich. The rich will feel the poor's pain at some point I do not doubt. We're in this together, either that or the pain which will follow for our country will be bad news for everyone. Regards to all: Bill

Charts of the US economy. Interesting stuff. Just sharing, if you are an idiot, even an egomaniac idiot like Pat, feel free to ask for help. http://inflation.us/charts.html

Steve said that. Hey, if you are here to sleep with Pinks wife: get to back of the line and wait yer turn Jackooo!