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Yup. Crashed his bicycle hard. . . . . Enough about lash now, what about me? Who needs to get some belaying in Tues evening ?

Thats right, you only had one rock shoe so climbed in those big red clunkers. Very admirable. Very. Who's in for tomorrow ?

You rented "Sideways" (the movie) didn't ya? Turns out that there are entire tour groups now duplicating their route. (other than that I am devoid of info, sorry). Have fun!

Thanks JB, so true. It's a lot like talkin' to rocks, except rocks are more logical. Kens problem was lack of balance. Pope and Raindawg exhibit this as well. BTW, regardless of what you may think about it: a judge said this: " Nichols explained to the court that his actions were ethical ones: Ken was saving the cliffs from the “sport climbers”. The judge told Nichols he sounded like a like a school yard bully and that an “ethical” stance would not involve destruction of private property and endangerment of the lives of others. It was then that the judge added the stipulation about “no chopping anywhere” to the plea deal."

BTW, the via Ferrata system grew 100's of years ago out of an attempt for village people trying to cross some shit-assed hard passes to trade with their neighbors and not starve to death in the harsh alpine environment they lived in: in that sense, why should I pass judgment on it any more than a road? Or why would you? People often just go driving for pleasure as well. Have you done anything to stop or prevent roads? So no, to answer your question, I don't have a problem like you do.

Lame attempt to sidestep the discussion. Roads = thieving? Dude, walk away from the pipe and lets keep on track here will ya?

No, you are wrong. It is not. That is only your opinion and you are wrong about it. Nobody is calling them losers. But I will say that you seem oblivious to the FACT they all placed and clipped bolts. Which is a FACT, something which your posts often sorely lack.

By comparing roads to thieving and stealing, you are you saying roads are bad things. But they are not in and of themselves bad. Try and not drive at all next week, or use any roads for that matter: either to work or shopping, or to the hospital. Roads are not bad and there are mega millions of miles of it in the US alone I'd suspect. Roads CAN be a bad thing, but are not necessarily so. That is the comparison Pope.

Yes, Larry Jennings, also known as big Larry. Pretty sore, but doing OK. BTW, have you seen a 8-1/2 faded blue Red Chili Spirit shoe anywhere abouts? Last time I saw it I was out with you at Beacon.

Glad to see that sex with farm animals is still acceptable.....gotta loves dem lawmakers, oh they don't want that outlawed .....nooooo sireee Bob. Go figure.

I first climbed at Smith Rocks in @ 1972. There were not many routes, but there were bolts then, 1/4" ers. Nice rant, except I didn't see any examples, such things as you describe as bolting cracks and old school leads re-bolted are very rare and are condemned already. So you are left with perhaps 1 maybe 2 examples in your rant above. I think that climbing, for me, is about many things that encompase both the physical and the mental.......all the bolts in the world do not have the impact which a single road represents, but you still drive do you not? I do not think that means we do not take putting a road, or a bolt, with anything less than serious study and care: something which we most likely agree does seem to be somewhat lacking in the next generation of climbers.

Yes, in keeping with Popes direction, first you have a single bolt, which soon evolves into this: We have seen this happen repeatedly throughout the world, including Austrailia - like seen here in Dubai and Chicaco: Maybe this will happen at your crag. right Pope? ______________________________________________________________ BTW, I thought that what Joseph said earlier is pretty spot on. Especially the lack of communication part. I'm excluding the Ken Nichols conviction as those were not public lands, but it seems to me that if someone can just show up (and I know I've been guilty of this) and just sticks in a bolt, then anyone else has an equal right, if they are so moved, to remove said bolt. ON PUBLIC LAND. But then how do you get beyond this? Probably by not sticking in a bolt to begin with. However, in an area where bolts traditionally predominate, perhaps for years and years, since the crag was first found by climbers, should (of course you can, as Ken Nichols demonstrated) BUT SHOULD anyone just choose to start yanking bolts by flat fiat because they, and they alone want to do that? Who would show up at Smith Rocks and make "To Bolt or Not To Be" just be "Not to Be"? It's a crazy thought, and would be condemned universally. Bolts have a place IMO, and unfortunatly, opinions is what everyone else has, and it's all over the board.

NO way. It's not an age thing. The worst pain I've ever imagined was when I was (young and invincible) in my early 20's. Worse than when I fell off the roof and landed face first onto a metal table. All that did was slam my bone right through my face so it was sticking straight out 2". I put a bandaid on it after I regained consciousness (bro says I was out for @2-3 min) and went right back up on the roof to finish roofing before it rained (it was only a garage too). Had quite a bit of blood drip underneath and land on my shirt of course. Probably looked like quite the mess when I finally got to the hospital like 3 hours of hard labor later (if you've ever roofed a house you'll know what I'm talkin about). No kidding. Back was so much worse. Now I'm 52 and thanks to Chrio and exercises, pain free and pretty much have been for at least 10 years. Good call. BTW, I had to learn that chiros can help the hard way, my wife drove me to one after I couldn't take any more back pain or even get out of bed. She had to put my socks on as well - I couldn't bend at all. I did learn over the years that not all Chiros are created equally, and in fact when my back does go out, there is a single very specific motion that will get it back to some semblance of normalcy. I'd listen to Layton as he recently graduated. Too bad you live in Colo. Good luck dude!

You've never been to Australia have you? BTW, I have the distinct feeling that you just like to argue. Could be wrong about that....

You have to pull a pic from another continent to make your point Pope? The snorkel, even if you didn't see the gum trees, is a dead giveaway that pic is of Australia, where your very survival may mean having a vehical like that and in fact that bloke may only be driving home right now and praying it doesn't rain. Uhhh what was your point ? Oh: 2) Shouldn't we be thrilled that he's enjoying the mountains, if it means he's going to fight development and sprawl (part of the "big picture" you described above)? (3) In what way is this any different than sport climbing? 1) This may be survival. 2) You don't know. 3) What, driving home from work? Uhhh, come on be real.

Why? I totally disagree with you. Volenters should be utilized to keep trails open and do maintenance, or they will disappear. I'd be more than fine with that, maybe more people would be involved. Do you really think your forest pass is paying even a small fraction of the overhead of the federal Gov't?

With or without your labrador?

I'll take it, check your PMs. (check was in the mailbox Sunday BTW)

You got soaked...ahhh, I did miss it. Damn. BTW, I just saw Larry and he's doing fine, but befuddled of course, so normal. Looks like he'll be off for 6 weeks - or so.

Can't beat that meat

Routine colonoscopy? I just had that and told them NO sedation. Glad I did. Recovery time nil. Now, bracing for the inevitable Iran invasion....in 5, 4,3,...

I have 7 Klipsch speakers hooked up to my computer and a M-Audio revolution 7.1 card that rocks the block. Klipsch rules.

aHHH, A Moosealope?

Shoe most likely at Beacon, it's a 41.5 (mens 8-1/2) Blue colored Red Chili Spirit on a 2nd resole. Nut tool should be in the vegatation on the L side of Ozone. It's a 11" long dark colored Ushuba that I put black shrink tubing on the end. Has 3 feet of parachute cord tied to it which was not clipped to my rack as it turned out.

Work. Hey Katie, I heard Larry crashed his bicycle and did break a couple of ribs. ?? Do I have to call him directly and feign interest or can you give a heads up. BTW, Geoff (near recovered), Ujahn and I had the run of the place last night. Turns out that a little rain and everyone stays home.