billcoe

May I have another? (picture)

Please re-read the previous 3 posts tom tom.

No. In fact, I might start posting photoshopped pictures of Robert Redford in his prime and passing him off as me. I think that my current pics show me to be fat, balding and unattractive. The real bitch is that I have so few of me young.....sigh..... Nobody like's looking at that. Except maybe Anna Nicole Smith and she died, so what can ya say? I don't know if those other dudes even climb anymore, maybe they just dream about the glory days :-) Even Kevbone gets out still, and he's working full time and has a newborn. The bone last month giving me beta on something or nother:

If you click on the supertopo link, one of the strong points of that discourse is that people are posting using their real names and referring to actual routes. Regards: uhhhh sincerley: Jim Johnson Bill

Works great Jim, thanks for sharing.....any climbing pics now that you have nailed?

Interesting in that there is a near identical version of this discussion on supertopo right now. supertopo link

You get lost? The rest of us are sore. (at least I am!)

You stole the words out of my mouth. I include Don in that statement as well. As far as the rest of it goes, there would be no routes on El Cap or Monkey Face without bolts. None. Monkey Face West FAce is 4 pitches. 3 are fully bolted, they were done on lead, with a hand drill. It really is a good route - which could have been 1 pitch ending at a rap anchor though. It was put up in the 60's. I see things like that and do not see a huge gap (although I agree that there is one) between a typical sport route at Smith. How many routes on glacier point would exist without bolts? None of the great ones which cruise to the Oasis, including the one Chouinard put up: Coonyard. So the real question is how to define style, what is really worthwhile, what is not. I do not think anybody here would be drilling on Pope about the single bolt, except it seems (until now) inconsistent with what he has been saying all along. When we see something like Dishman, we recognize obvious shit, but after that - it is a small step here or there to a true pure crack. Obviously, many of us see that bolt on Popes route as a precondition for many routes to exist. If a person like John Bachar were to do a FA as a near free solo, dragging a rope along, and then tell the rest of us you will die if you cannot free solo 5.11, does that not kind of screw everybody else? Should a first ascentionist consider others as well? PS, Pope, I congratulate you for doing what I (my opinion only here, and all of this is only OUR opinions, including yours) consider the right thing. I once retro-added a bolt (3/8" hand drilled) to the crux near the top of a 5.6/5.7 route I had done when it was suggested that many aspiring leaders would be trying it die to the grade, but that a full pitch of shit placements was a time bomb waiting for some one to blow it and auger in as their pieces ripped.

Hola Tim! Ujahn will be there sooner than 5:30 and needs a belay if you can make it as he needs to hit a dinner party, check yer PMS.

But Pope, it only makes you nearly identical to the rest of us, and frankly, since you haven't posted in a bit, I rather like the lack of histrionics's.

Have to agree 100%. It would be different if Pope was claiming it was a mistake, but he's defending it. Cough *Elmer Gantry* cough Cough *Elmer Gantry* cough since you don't appear to be any different than me Pope, it really makes me what the hell you've accentually been screaming about all along. AHHHHGGGGHHHH SPORT CLIMBERS Some how they do not seem so different from you now. A bit for sure. A bit. Not by much.

Yes. I'm guessing that a singing Zionistic Jew, who had converted to Judaism from Sunni Islam, might need to be especially cautious when flaming King Saud or just taking pictures on trips to Riyadh.

If you live in Iran, you have been able to listen to Queen since 2004. BBC Archives Which is pretty strange when you think about it, as Saudi Arabia issued a Fatwa (religous edit) against the former Cat Stevens (new name Yousef Islam) for chanting to God and putting it on CD: turns out that singing is not allowed in Sunni/Wahabi version of islam and if you do it they will kill you. Of course, the Saudi's murdered many many Shias, men women and children as apostates and blasphemers in the 20's in Faluja (Iraq).

Great read! Thanks for sharing - brings back memories of the columns and just hanging out with friends.

I may not have fully understood your position, I suspect we may have more similarities than differences in our viewpoints. ___________________________________________________________________ Concur. (Except for the Puke part)I think if any aspiring rap bolter HAD to use a hand drill and not a Bosch, things would be substantially different. (Of course, we'd still have 1/4" bolts I suspect). However, when I climb bolted routes, I still strangely find myself enjoying the experience.

Geoff: Ujhan suggests Blueberry and the routes to right of it, maybe Toothpick as well. 5:30pm.

opps. I was trying....

Yup Rudy, but your reply was spot on funny too.

Quoted: " Nichols explained to the court that his actions were ethical ones: Ken was saving the cliffs from the “sport climbers”. The judge told Nichols he sounded like a like a school yard bully and that an “ethical” stance would not involve destruction of private property and endangerment of the lives of others. It was then that the judge added the stipulation about “no chopping anywhere” to the plea deal." Obviously the judge was no Yvon.

You mean this? I don't recall seeing a hot dog that looks like a penis being discussed in this subject previously, but I'm getting old and forgetful.

I don't recall seeing a hot dog that looks like a penis being discussed in this subject previously, but I'm getting old and forgetful.

If you bring your belay skillz you get to call the place. .. 5:30pm is the time. I'll look for your vehicle.

Not by me Don. Never called you a name. I thought that the 3 or so catalogs C produced in that time frame were all inspirational ethically. (Ethical inspirations). 4 nope, 5 FAs last mo, no bolts top bottom middle or rap. You see any crack(s) in this pic? My mind, if someone puts bolts on it, so frikkan what? I'd rather that than people die. Don't blow it so far out of proportion. But thats me. BTW, yesterday, I went out and shoveled an ascent trail to bedrock where I saw a family of 4 tread at the top of the cliff, on a steep area, unroped. I do not see cleaning off the dirt and loose rocks to be a bad thing to save some idiots life, but it is human intervention. Hard work as well. But if 1 person lives, instead of dieing at their loved ones feet.... I think that is part of the equation to look at. I do not think you proactively bolt to protect idiots or people from their stupiditdy, but it is part of the equation in my mind.

opps 5742, 5743 5744 .....whew, hard to keep up! damn

I've got 3 years till I catch up to your current 5400 Kev..... . . You must be getting paid by the post, not by the hour.