billcoe

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I'd better get 2 then.

What do you use, why did you pick it, how is it working for you. I'm in the market, and like to see a discussion amongst folks I trust (generally:-). Especially interested if anyone has the Delorme Earthmate GPS PN-20 W/ their new reworked Topo USA 7.0 software. Delorme not only has better maps than Garmin, but you don't have to pay extra for them either and I think I want (I know I don't NEED one, got along so far without it, so WANT is the correct word there) the high res topo software. My bro has been using an older Garmin Etrex (low res screen) that he uploads to National Geographic maps at home to track where he's been wandering, which have the 1/24000 res like the Delorme. He's all over the woods with it all the time too. He'll put more miles on in a weekend than some of us all year. It's sick. He usually is working in the woods too. However, he lives a long way from me though or I'd have him teach me how to do all that. He doesn't know jack squat about the newer products on the market I asked him. As it is, easy of use would be on my list, and I think Garmin is that and the Delorme isn't. Otherwise, how about the current Garmin 60csx and 76 blah blah? Has anyone tried any of these products? What do you use them for and do you generally even find them useful?

Yeah it is, great artwork there! Someone has some massive mad photoshop skillz. My palms are still sweating from remembering Ivans earlier TR up there. Nice to see what it actually did look like, cause in my minds eye, I didn't think Ken would be smiling...at all, but he looks just like I remember him when he climbed up to my belay ledge last fall at Beacon. BTW, don't ya gotta have some sympathy for those off course dudes. Anytime you cannot see your feet cause the weather is so thick and the wind is hitting you hard on 90 degrees sideways accompanied with thick snow, maps are useless and direct bearing via a compass lacks accuracy as you get blown off course while still making what you think is spot on the money direction of your heading. Reliance on Taun Tauns, if you have one, of course, would be the logical first option of course. Maybe a GPS the second? I still don't own one but am looking right now. Some GPS's do not have compass's, and rely on figuring your direction of travel to get a bearing and give you a direction, which would suck for some situations I suppose - like falling off White river canyon, digging in in a whiteout, then having to actually walk for a while, stiff, numb wet and half frozen after crawling out of your cave the next day - possibly off course in deep-assed snow, to determine your course? Ya gotta wonder given the conditions, if they maybe lucked out in not getting swept down that slope in an avalanche.

I wonder if this might not be what the framers of the US constitution had in mind all those years ago.... I'm waiting until "Cruel and Unusual" is finally interpreted to mean being put in any of the existing jails (as it's very, very cruel) and all the criminals are set free pending locating dormitories with wide screen TV's for them.

Lil guy might get some great fingerlocks.

I just don't usually talk about it Ivan. Best pitch at Arapiles 10 years ago was an easier steep 1500' free solo I still dream about. (tiptoe ridge 5.5) Better than all the ones I mentioned above. Still remember how sweet that one was.

Sick! Here's my warm weather pics of one route I noted earlier then. Added a pic of Dream of Wild Turkeys too, 3 -4 real good pitchs that might be best of class except for Jim Dying that very day (at Smith Rocks) and it being his favorite route in the world I think - it was just last November and 75 degrees warm. The 2nd 5.10 pitch on DWT. This is Ujahn, I got the wide one earlier and he had his hands on the belay so theres no pics of that one. Bill on the Elephants Trunk below about to slot a wired nut into that stacked block. I'd considered passing on it wondering if it would pull that block in a fall...No helmet either eh... don't have pics of the other routes, I don't carry a camera when I free solo.

Bet he's thinking Dean Potter taking huge whips onto micro TCU's on Tombstone kind of thing, not grabbing a rubber ducky and falling into water. Count me there, I'll be there with Guiness Stout for you dudes. It's truncated date night with wife first, so 7pm will most likely be the earliest, so start the movie without me. Phil, can you bring your Thailand guide book and info so I can drool over what warm climbing is like? I'm most likely climbing in Karabi/Railey next December.

Ouch...outted. Yes, yes I am Joseph's official mouthpiece, and my commission check is overdue too. Did the last 7 pages give me away? PS, speaking of chisels - Russ Walling sold me 2 chisels recently too:-) These things have machined groves and wire rope swaged onto it in case anyone wants any of this kind of stuff for chipping any new routes they are working on.....www.fishproducts.com. Cept he's out climbing right now, so you'll have to wait.

Of course you can argue it either way. Robbins thought he knew about Dawn Wall too until he jumped on it with a chisel. I meant that this very point had been discussed, and well flushed out earlier in the thread...both points of view can be valid IMO. It probably boils down to ones pre-conceived conceptions and notions of what is correct or not correct pre-this thread discussion really are.

No sh*t. Rudy, you might ask him what his fav. pitch this year was. I've reconsidered my previous response. It was the entire (complete) SE corner cordless (so as a single pitch) early AM on one of those perfect summer days. To answer the rest of Wills question "What made it so good?" The smell of the dew just burning off in the am as the crisp of the evening departs, and the freedom of easy 600-700' of uninterrupted flow....well, thats what made it so good.

I'm blaming Doug for this thread revival, he linked it in Rudys Raindawg taunting thread. Unintentional trainwrecking it's called:-) Huh? Mimi, Kevin already pitched that softball 5-6 pages ago and it was knocked out of the park. There was also an earlier reference to "I don't have to try unprotected, lubricated Gay Anal sex to know I don't like it, but I can still comment on how mess up it is" or something like that. I guess from my viewpoint, I look at some great lines that have bolts. All of the routes up El Cap and Monkey Face for instance, and I liked climbing all the ones I've been on. Even (maybe especially) Dean Caldwell's bolt ladder. Had some petty bureaucrat come over while they were doing that or any of those lines, and stopped all activity, then all of us would be the poorer for it. Monkey Face, for instance, would not have a single route to the summit. I understand striving and endeavoring to climb in good style, and to discuss the definition of what that is, but I don't see it as an absolute rule that all must follow everywhere we go. Different areas have different ethics and norms and people rarely butt heads with the group ethic which has taken years to evolve at that specific area. I understand rap bolting and using a drill to bolt as well. If you HAVE to put a bolt in, should it not be the best you can do? I agree that most people coming out of gyms are short changed on the mental development that most of us went through, and I am not advocating that gym mentality become the dominant ethic. I think routes done bold should be left that way, and routes done with bolts should be left that way, unless a huge percentage of LOCALS, ie those who climb in that area 99% of the time, disagree.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Thread drift, lets see the pictures, videos! __________________________________________________ Oh, I got it now, I thought I read they had a GPS. OK.

I read all this again, every single post, an have not changed my mind a bit. It only serves to remind me to hold my own cards closer to my vest. Regards to all Bill

Isn't that about the 10th time you've posted that now?

Wait, thats a climbing picture Doug!

I'll be fine if you bring out some pictures!

You must live a different world than I. BTW, messed up will be Raindawg posting this every 15 min on every 2nd thread in between Nazi pictures to support some inane banal argument he has. Brace yourself. ...

nice avatar minx, i figured you were fridged this whole time. Dude, you should have been there that one time in the hot tub at the Moderator suite, you wouldn't make that mistake If you're gonna start inviting the riff-raff I want an invitation too!

This help Rudy? Ammunition.

They'll be tired for sure. Maybe we can take up a collection and buy them a compass?

Oh no ya don't, don't be turning this into a climbing thread now....

And rolls her own tampons too. But this bitch is not anywhere near machoville yet. Maybe some other things. Too bitchy? No question. Whiny? Absolutly. Cranky? Uhhh huh. Catty? Yes! Malicious? Duh! Unpleasant? No doubt!! Cruel? Yup. Crabby? Unquesionably. Nasty? Looks like it. Venomous? Hey yah! Ill-humored? Not even funny! Irritable? Appears to be! Shrewish? With an exclamation point! I'd stop listening to that woman about 2 min after her first sentence.... ______________________________________________________ Jay b -thats good stuff up there:-)

You sure it's a troll? Mr. P.Goat ...hello? You are serious or not?