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I'm not Len, Zim Zam - I'm bill, I just saw the ad and thought you'd enjoy it. I do have some a couple of handfuls, almost 30 pieces, classic ancient gravel I could part with for a couple of hundred bucks $500.00 if you'd like. 2 different professors say that these rocks come from the igneous period, which was even before your ancestors were born. That old. yup. Price reduced to $450.00 as there is NO glitter, however, I have been assured it is in fact real old stuff.

prehistoric glacier rock - $2500 This rock has glitter in it. It has been inspected by two different scientist. One who works with the university downtown and one who actually works in the university downtown. Both have confirmed it is a prehistoric glacier rock due to the melting's of the rocks appearance. I have also called other scientist who work through out the united states and have seen pictures of the same type of rock in museums. The largest recorded glacier rock in the state of oregon is at a museum in salem maybe (it was a couple of years ago I checked) was only about 4 to 5 inches around. small enough to fit in your hand and was valued at 500.00 dollars. This rock is about a foot long. They wanted it but I wouldn't donate it. To a collector, this will be your prize. 2500.00 dollars is the firm price. Actually worth twice that. Girlfriend is ill and the copays are climbing. I've had this rock for some time and it is time to sell. Len 503 422 5320" On Craigslist now: better grab it quick before it's gone. Link to buy said rock

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The kids today are bringing extreme gymastics training to the game that the oldtimers rarely engaged in. I expect that they will be doing harder and tougher stuff than even some of these hard young pups are getting on in just a few short years. Hey Bob! Shit ...lighten up will ya.

Well, then where is all the ice on the Mts and the glaciers going too? Full Artical: " Christopher Booker's Notebook By Christopher Booker Last Updated: 1:52am GMT 04/02/2008 So it appears that Arctic ice isn't vanishing after all There was some coverage of the chaos caused in central and southern China by their heaviest snowfalls for decades - but little attention was paid to the snow that last week carpeted Jerusalem, Damascus and Amman, none of them exactly used to Dickensian Christmas card weather. Similarly, Saudis last month expressed amazement at their heaviest snow for many years, in Afghanistan snow and freezing weather killed 120 people and large parts of the United States and Canada have been swept by unusually fierce blizzards. Polar bears on melting ice The biologist who took this picture says this pair were within easy swimming distance of the Alaskan coast If the northern hemisphere's chilliest winter in a long time was bad news for the propagandists of global warming, they also had to face serious questions about some of the most iconic images used to support the claims that the world is hotting up towards disaster. Last autumn the BBC and others could scarcely contain their excitement in reporting that the Arctic ice was melting so fast there would soon be none left. Sea ice cover had shrunk to the lowest level ever recorded. But for some reason the warmists are less keen on the latest satellite findings, reported by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) on the website Cryosphere Today by the University of Illinois. This body is committed to warmist orthodoxy and contributes to the work of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Yet its graph of northern hemisphere sea ice area, which shows the ice shrinking from 13,000 million sq km to just 4 million from the start of 2007 to October, also shows it now almost back to 13 million sq km. A second graph, "Global Ice Area", shows a similar pattern repeated every year since satellite records began in 1979; while a third, "Southern Hemisphere Ice", shows that sea ice has actually expanded in recent years, well above its 30-year mean. Still more inconvenient was the truth about an image that has been relentlessly exploited to promote this panic over the "vanishing" Arctic ice. It is the photograph of two polar bears standing forlornly on the fast-melting remains of an iceberg which has been reproduced thousands of times to show that there will soon be no bears left (ignoring evidence that their numbers have risen recently). Northern hemisphere sea ice area Now, thanks to a Canadian journalist, Carole Williams (on NewsWithViews.com), we can read the story behind this picture, which was taken in 2004 just off Alaska by a marine biologist, Amanda Byrd. As Ms Byrd is happy to point out, the bears were in no danger so close to the coast (they can swim 100 miles). She wanted a photograph more of the "wind-sculpted ice" than of the bears. The image was copied by another member of the crew and passed on to Environment Canada. Then it was eagerly adopted by the warmist propaganda machine - above all by Al Gore, who used it to powerful effect as an emotive backdrop to his highly lucrative lectures. "Their habitat is melting," he likes to declaim, "beautiful animals, literally being forced off the planet." As the old joke has it, it seems those famous bears were not drowning after all, they were just waving. But the BBC is no more likely to tell us that than it was to lead the news with last week's snow in Jerusalem. " EOM

Don topropes in Toulome, or Thailand, Broux and on 400' tall as yet unclimbed cliffs? WTF? Does Don use some special 800' long rope?

I don't understand why an area that has no cracks can't have bolts according to you Raindawg? Maybe you just need to get out and climb some more. (climb at all?) Have you been to Toulomne Meadows at all? Imagine a 400' high cliff that is crackless. You are advocating no climbing there. You are fine with them cutting a huge swath through the forest, blasting rocks and bulldozing massive amounts of dirt for a new road that can be seen from the next planet over, but a small f*ucking bolt that you cannot even see from 40 meters away.....(insert head shaking in angry disbelieve wide mouthed at the stupidity of your attitude emoticon here) I still don't get it, and it is truly most likely that you cannot explain it away, so you don't address my issue. (drifting off with the sound of lil Dawg warming up in the background, with 300 bolts in the basement next to her....raring to go) Edited to add couple of lil Dawg pic's

Wait whats that sound in the background up there? Holy Shit, it sounds like fish screaming.....

Best post in a long while goes to Marcus: Even more remarkable in that she was working all those hours for free to try and help. I got to be with Kellie for a few of the cleanups and she was always a well organized joy to be around. ________________________________________________________________________ Well, Raindawg showed up, so it's a bolt thread now. I don't understand why an area that has no cracks can't have bolts according to you Raindawg? Maybe you just need to get out and climb some more. (climb at all?) Imagine a 400' high cliff that is crackless. You are advocating no climbing there. You are fine with them cutting a huge swath through the forest, blasting rocks and bulldozing massive amounts of dirt for a new road that can be seen from the next planet over, but a small f*ucking bolt that you cannot even see from 40 meters away.....(insert head shaking in angry disbelieve wide mouthed at the stupidity of your attitude emoticon here) I just don't get it. AT ALL.

I wouldn't say I am questioning the rope's integrity as much as I am questioning the veracity of the statement that 5 year old ropes should be retired. If I hadn't read that I would have never given it a second thought to head out to the crag and top rope on it. I am really wondering how much damage time does compared to usage. The President of the German Alpine club seems to say the same thing here. It's all about USE, not years. Check this out: UIAA artical on the aging of climbing ropes

Link Can't you buy a Black Diamond? They bought the brand from Conrad Anker who bought it from North Face who bought it from Middendorf. Or something like that. $250 gets you a brand new one. Or I might have a brand new A5 brand one in my basement too. If I do, what's a fair price for you?

As in Pete’s Pile? Pete’s “Pile” is a good name for that place. I love Pete's, I always seem to have it to myself too, can't complain about that. Hey, good bumping into you and Crimper in the woods today! Looked like Jim was further out checking out the Cape Horn trail today. You might ask him about it. I think theres gonna be some routes down there on those lower cliffs at some point. CH 4 is what that surveyor stake says at Ozone. "Mayhaps CH 4 = Cape Horn 4" ??

U of O, but again, why are you limiting it to those 2 schools? I thought that the Western States scholarship would get you in any western school that participates so that you pay the same tuition as a local in state would pay. For instance, my daughter goes to the University of Hawaii, and pays less tuition that at either U of O or OSU. People from Hawaii, can come here and pay slightly more (one of the cousins did this and went to OSU), but it's the same price as in state tuition. With that in mind, whats that school in Boseman, Mt? Or how about Boulder, Colo or somewhere close to Yos?

John: Consider getting a like a Jeep Cherokee as a second vehicle. The mileage isn't horrendous, and the jeeps haul a lot. The Liberty, which is a small little comp to my Honda, gets worse mileage, but as a second vehicle you won't be using it except for some winter trips eh? Maybe some springtime mudding? By a low model used one as the Jeeps depreciate fairly fast. My memory is that the little Liberty tows 5500 lbs but gets 17mpg. Honda CR-V, at the same size but 23 mpg, was like 800lbs or some equally damn lightweight thing like that. Good luck: B

I can relate. I returned a rope of mine last summer to REI and they were great to me. I'd gone out to clean a new line, and bought 4 of these things. ROPE PROTECTORS I'd used them a few times just toproping and protecting it over an edge and they worked just like they said they would work to keep the abrasion off the rope. Great shit. The REI web-site text says: (they misspelled from, that wasn't me) "Protect your rope form the wear and tear of abrasion and sharp edges. Easy-to-place Spiroll extends the life and reliability of your rope. *It self-wraps around the rope for a snug fit--no need to tie it off" So I went to clean off a new line and hung on for over 10 hours that day. I had protected the only place where the rope was in contact with the rock, but all the bouncing up and down up and down all day had slipped the Spiroll protector back like a foreskin on a hard Penis, and although I had looked up a few times at the rope, as the protector was lower than the contact with the rock, it appeared to me that my rope was still covered where it was in contact but it wasn't protected at all as it turns out. At the end of the the day, there was a huge white core shot spot where my not-that-old of a rope had rubbed on the rock all day. The rope was beyond trashed. Damn I was pissed. Once my testicals dropped back down as the fear of a rope failure subsided and I had burned in anger for a while after telling some folks this story. After hearing from more than one person the same thing ie, return it to REI, I did, they replaced it and I cannot tell you how good that felt. The guy just tells me, dude, go pull the rope of your choice off the wall and it's yours. Man...my anger soooo dissipated...........like... immediately. So I know that feeling. The moral of my story is don't use these rope protectors (they are a great thing BTW) and hang on a rope all day bouncing and jugging without duct taping them down, like I should have done then anyway - except that I believed the marketing hype. That was just last summer, I have a new bi-color Mammut now.....

Spike, what does your company do?

You get pro deals on salt and pepper mills! Wow!

Looks like a Whale Shark.

You legs will be totally Pwned, but you also avoid all chance of Crevasses going that way. Soloing from Timberline and crossing the glacier always disturbed me, but as I was up there a lot screwing around all summer, in PDX pre-planning mentally for it, I thought I knew where they were and could avoid them. Then you get up there at 2-3am or some godforsaken time and its dark and you don't have a clue...but get lucky anyway. I love that route. You can get pretty steep pretty fast but get back to the car in fairly shit weather anyway. Doh! (the first time you solo it you are too stupid about the crevasses and do it anyway, thinking that it's pretty stupid as you are doing it as you are rembering the summer gaping maws that were somewhere right there but you do it anyway cause....cause you need to climb something and you're already there) Doh! (2nd time cause you forgot about the fear the first time caused till you're staring at the abyss, then do it anyway thinking it's early enough and cold enough) Doh - 3rd time you bring the dog and the girlfriend (later your wife of 29 years) sleep over at 7000 feet all warm and snuggly in your Gerry year-round tent, THEN you remember as you are walking away from your 2 loved ones still in the tent about the potential crevasses under the snow. Fortunately- the dog follows you and you bag the climb and head back to the warm sleeping bag because...'cause of the dog. Right. Doh! Better to do it your way. Nice call.

Are you saying that you are not going to put it in the new guidebook? I think putting out a "guidebook" might not be a good thing. The place is already crowded, and Jim hands out a route list already to people he meets and likes.....(I already spoke my thoughts on that to him)

Thanks, I have 3 maybe 4 more Nut tools in my basement which didn't make the picture. BTW, I think I just bought some of those Aliens you have hanging there:-) BTW, check out Hendershot up there: he's getting ready to take a nap while she carries all the gear!

I don't know if desire for control is the case, although that seems to be part of it. I think more than most places, Beacon causes peoples hearts to fall in love with something at the place. There are kindred spirits out there, and many people can intuitively feel this. I do. I know others do as well. I believe that part of the thoughts running through folks minds is the desire to be there to feel and protect that feeling, for themselves and for the spirits: as well as for other climbers in the future. I did not think I was being coy Peter. This thing got hammered on this site already like a dead horse when he put the thing in. When it came up on the other thread (and it being winter and all) I pulled it over here to separate the issue from that thread. Truthfully, I'm ambivalent and hardly care either way, but tend to think folks were ripping JH a new one needlessly or at least excessively at that time. They did have a point that he didn't follow protocol for new bolts out there, but *cough* guilty*cough* some of the rest of us shouldn't be throwing stones at glass houses on that issue if you catch my drift. Thats correct BTW: I believe there are definatly spirits at Beacon Rock.

Kong Ghosts. Pretty good. got them for the 7.8 lines. I loaned them to Joseph to try on his 7.8s at Red Rocks and he bought some later. Wayyyy cool! However I see that very few women want to actually fondle my stuff.

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Oh oh.... They say it's not what ya got, but how you use it that counts! *Blush*