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But people shouldn't abuse that by leaving their shit lying (laying?) around everywhere. I know someone who had their entire rack stolen by a person who shared your viewpoint when they left it at the base of an El Cap route and went back to the car to get a 2nd load. You think thats right? Remind me the next time you fire a multipitch route and leave a pack with shoes and extra gear at the base so I can help clean up your shit and donate it to someone who has had their stuff stolen.

people should leave other peoples shit alone regardless of their spelling habits and not steal others stuff IMO. period. Oh look, a tent in the campground. Mine. Oh look, a sleeping bag on the ground. Mine. Oh look, a parked car, they should know better than to leave their personal stuff on public property like this here parking lot. Mine. Someone leaves their trash, like draws, on a route, and if you can't stand it then leave a note or tell them to get the shit off the wall cause it disturbs you. But theft is theft. On the other hand: of course, a cam or bail biner is trash and to be bootied immediately.

shakes head Hey, we'll all keep an eye out for the draws, sorry ya lost them.

Welcome, however, I should have just gone and hung at the Zone and done the work cause I went elsewhere and Kyle pushed me down and this happened. Still hobbling, still have stitches, still swollen, still hurts. ps, I heard that the new hanger/nut was put on.

Fess up. http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=5930862&page=1

Thanks for sharing it Mike!

Agreed. It's situational. My daughter was aware of where she was at when she could walk, certainly at 2, while my sons head would swivel in 360 degree circles and he'd often wander off in a crowded mall....repeatedly. I never came close to losing him, but I once followed him from a long distance while keeping him in sight for @ 15-20 min as he walked through the crowds alone. Unaware that we were not part of the pack. It always amazed me that adults didn't stop to offer him help. If I'd had one more active kid to juggle, I'd have put a leash on the boy. The child rapist/molester/murderer Wesley Allen Dodd picked up Lee Isley at my kids school playground during that time period they were both students there (Richmond Grade School). Kids are too valuable and precious to ignore or take for granted.

Last year took care of any dreams of me being loaded, however, my credit card does not have a limit.

Ewwwwwwhhhu. Blah, ptouiiii. But here he is anyway with his boyfriend. Looks like someone needs some french fry grease there.

http://consumerist.com/5218680/heres-what-a-card-skimmer-looks-like-on-an-atm?skyline=true&s=i Thought you folks would enjoy seeing this. This happened to me. My card got skimmed and someone from Brazil was buying condos in Florida and servers in Canada on my card. Pin hole camera over insertion point to capture your number: back of it. With skimmer Similar but genuine version below: They make a portable version as well which is actually more common ad used by gas station attendants and others to pick up extra cash. anyway, thought it would be of interest to share: keep alert.

Have fun and get lots of video! They grow so fassssssst. This one, in between the grandparents is my youngest, he was Miles size just a bit ago. Must have blinked, here he is shooting about a year ago, then he up and went off to college. The girl went off to Hawaii, graduated from college @ a year ago and for @ 5 years now, it's real rare I see her.

True dat Pink. Is Switzerland then a nation of gun nuts? They have mandatory military service for all males over 20 years of age and when they get out they are all basically armed with machine guns. The whole nation. Not that there isn't laws in the country, but each Canon (think state) is different. Still, about everyone is armed to the teeth. They did this for political freedom. Evidently, they didn't trust the Hapsberg Kings as much as Ivan would have:-) "Over a soldier's career he also spends scattered days on mandatory equipment inspections and required target practice. Thus, in a 30-year mandatory military career, a Swiss man only spends about one year in direct military service. Following discharge from the regular army, men serve on reserve status until age 50 (55 for officers). By the Federal Constitution of 1874, military servicemen are given their first equipment, clothing and arms. After the first training period, conscripts must keep gun, ammunition and equipment an ihrem Wohnort ("in their homes") until the end of their term of service. Today, enlisted men are issued M57 automatic assault rifles and officers are given pistol, Each reservist is issued 24 rounds of ammunition in sealed packs for emergency use. (Contrary to Handgun Control's claim that "all ammunition must be accounted for," the emergency ammunition is the only ammo that requires accounting.) After discharge from service, the man is given a bolt rifle free from registration or obligation. Starting in the 1994, the government will give ex-reservists assault rifles. Officers carry pistols rather than rifles and are given their pistols the end of their service. When the government adopts a new infantry rifle, it sells the old ones to the public. Reservists are encouraged to buy military ammunition (7.5 and 5.6mm-5.56 mm in other countries-for rifles and 9 and 7.65 mm Luger for pistols, which is sold at cost by the government, for target practice Non-military ammunition for long-gun hunting and .22 Long Rifle (LR) ammo are not subsidised, but are subiect to no sales controls. Non-military non-hunting ammunition more powerful than .22 LR (such as .38 Spl.) is registered at the time of sale. Swiss military ammo must be registered if bought at a private store, but need not be registered if bought at a range The nation's 3,000 shooting ranges sell the overwhelming majority of ammunition. Technically, ammunition bought at the range must be used at the range, but the rule is barely known and almost never obeyed. The army sells a variety of machine guns, submachine guns, anti-tank weapons, anti-aircraft guns, howitzers and cannons. Purchasers of these weapons require an easily obtained cantonal license, and the weapons are registered, In a nation of six million people, there are at least two million guns, including 600,00 fully automatic assault rifles, half a million pistols, and numerous machine guns. Virtually every home has a gun. Besides subsidised military surplus, the Swiss can buy other firearms easily too. While long guns require no special purchase procedures, handguns are sold only to those with a Waffenerwerbsschien (purchase certificate) issued by a cantonal authority. A certificate is issued to every applicant over 18 who is not a criminal or mentally infirm. "

Sorry, of course Warsaw was badly dismembered later as well. I was responding to his "the Jews didn't have a chance against the Nazi" thing. Which - they were all good Jews until is was too late. They had a great democracy, and then they saw some "reasonable" laws passed with the rise of Hitler. Why would anyone not support the motherland unless they were a traitor after all? "The message is simple: Disarmed people are neither free nor safe - they become the criminals' prey and the tyrants' playthings. When the civilians are defenseless and their government goes bad, however, thousands and millions of innocents die. " Lots of activity last century. Ottoman Empire -gun laws in 1911 preceded the Armenian exterminations 1915. Then the Nazi gun restrictions followed by that hell. Soviet Union Red Army laws followed by that hell. First the Nationalists then the Communist when they took over in China passed gun laws in turn- quelling internal dissent and murdering anyone who doesn't "think" correctly, ie, like them. Cambodia passed reasonable restrictions by the Khmer Rouge and you know how that went. If not: rent "The Killing Fields" DVD to check it out. Sure, there's converse examples of ENGLAND and Australia. They passed laws that were anti-gun and they have not had governments gone bad ....yet. Somehow Ivan, you find it difficult to trust your fellow citizens: who are not seeking power to control you, yet you are willingly giving that to people twisted enough to embrace and seek that corrupting power. I'm not saying all politicians are that way, but if you check out my list, you will note that it only takes one or 2 bad power seeking apples to overturn a nice apple cart. I believe that felons should not be able to handle weapons of any sort. That is it. If they are found with them, they go to jail. That is not what is happening right now. Right now, the jails are full of otherwise normal people who did a drug bo-bo, so they are often letting out assholes who wish to perpetrate violence on us. That's not a good thing. Lock up the criminals and let honest people, like you and like me, free to go about our business.

Sick: Isn't that lower one called a "Mud Falcon"? That's what the brown sacks which use to come off El Cap were coined:-)

2 words for the graduate: WARSAW UPRISING. The Jews had been stripped of weapons, identified, registered, regulated and often tricked into co-operation (happy postcards sent back to remaining family members in Hungry for instance). What they scrounged and put together when it was already too late helped them to create a modern Masada and stop the Wehrmacht with their Panzers for a month at least. So it matters not what I think. It matters only what is. What you read, and what you watch on TV isn't always what is real and true.

so watcha do saturday matlock? ...and "pleasured myself to porn" isn't a correct answer here.

Yeah! 89 good years baby, great ride he had - brightened up the world a bit, had a fantastic life, stayed long, lived full and then checked out. Wow! Hope I do as well. See you all on the other side at some point.

Fire and Rain rules! could you not have reversed your moves and reweighed the jug?

Nice call! I've thought that every time I've gone through there as well. (usually earlier in the season) You probe your memory of last fall and look for slight gentle depressions in the area (in the dark or at daybreak usually so you don't see a lot) and hold your breath and think, damn this is stupid. One time, @ June, I'd hiked up to Barrett spur on the North side and was sitting there for the solitude. I'm thinking, what an awesome day. Shit I could be up on the Elliot or Sunshine right now there's so much snow. Bit warm though. Late too. But I'm fast. ...I have an ice axe with me... ..as I'm musing and lazily reflecting on life, somewhere in that time period about a 200' high (my estimation) ice cliff toppled and swept the lower slope of the Coe glacier there all the way. Blocks the size of houses. I saw the action and later the sound hit. I stood up and swept the slope with my sight to see if any poor souls happen to be there and their and locations. The slope was bare. It would have killed everything in it's path...... I had time to think of all the times I climbed on stuff like that, or walked below it.....so beautiful and so dangerous. So stupid.

That's not what I'm talking about at all. Judge Alex Kozinski, a Jewish refugee from Eastern Europe, summed up my argument in his dissent in Silveira v. Lockyer: "The prospect of tyranny may not grab the headlines the way vivid stories of gun crime routinely do. But few saw the Third Reich coming until it was too late. The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed—where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once." Now as far as the Mexicans hell goes, since the "reasonable" guns laws of 1968 were passed, they are fortunate to have political control by the military and police over their people. The people, however......

I forgot to thank you for this btw. Thanks! ____________________________________________________________ I was looking for the link on waterbording. But I can eat crow here as well as there. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_usa_security_interrogations " 10 mins ago WASHINGTON (Reuters) – CIA interrogators used the waterboarding technique on Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the admitted planner of the September 11 attacks, 183 times and 83 times on another al Qaeda suspect, The New York Times said on Sunday.............." Damn, that's like "Good morning Sheik, how about your morning hair wash today".....

that's actually easy -you can have all the tight guns laws you want, but if your large industrial neighbors don't, and you have shitty border control and a law enforcement culture that's entreprenurial in nature, and a giant commercial opportunity that can be only realized w/ planes, helicopters, ww2-era diesel submarines, and machine guns, then the weapons will be present no matter what Since Scott did the thread revival I'll bring it again. Your answer imply s that this open border only exists with the US, and that if our government could somehow strip away our ability to own firearms all would be well with the Mexicans? I'm calling bullshit if that's your supposition. Currently, 90 percent of the illegal grenades in Mexico are smuggled in from Guatemala. You don't figure that the Mexicans can just turn around and get their guns form there or Pakistan? BTW, as long as we're on this rant. There are 2 kidnappings a DAY in Mexico. Every day. Couple of months ago, an estimated 150,000-200,000 Mexican citizens rallied in Mexico City in outrage and anger to protest what they believe to be police involvement and collusion in these daily kidnappings. LINK to August 2008 story Of course, the police have weapons and can and regularly do victimize the population, they are fortunate to have the very gun laws which you want here. Somehow, by magic perhaps, not allowing US citizens weapons will be able to stop the traffic of drugs coming in and money going out? Getting guns out of honest Americans hands will also be able to cease the money and drugs across the border that is the root issue? ..and cutting off US guns will do what to that dynamic again? It's a power play and a lie. You're buying into their bullshit. Don't believe a word of it Ivan turn off the news they're feeding you and use your own thinking.

Hmmm, I'm a bit suspicious, both you and Hugo Cesare Chavez are gone for a long time and then you both show up at identical times!!!!!!!! Whats your real name, maybe I'll send you a shirt. This was recommended by a Cuban who's buddy was a friend of this wank Che: turned out, wank was truly a murdering scum in real life according to the Cuban.

I always thought it a good idea to scout out the white river canyon crossing in the fall so that early spring WyEast solo trips would be safer......I don't know as if it ever really helped. Spring looks radically different than fall as it turns out:-) Like....every year. I do think you can get an idea of where a good elevation to cross is, but you cannot always reliably nail a specific line based on faulty memory. GPS should actually have this one totally figured out though. I guess it never hurts to cross your fingers and hold your breath in case you don't have a GPS unit though!