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Sweet site Dave: you guys would be crazy to do a guidebook.

Fixed that quote for you. No, I don't differentiate at all.

Nah, you're reading too much into my tongue and cheek response J.B. Wait, wasn't Robert Matthews, former leader of "The Order", finally cornered and burned to a corpse by the FBI in your back yard there on Whidbey Island as well? Hmmmm, maybe there is something there after all.... Seriously jb, I think the left is missing the point on the abortion debate. They need to keep saying and reaffirming what the Supreme Court has found and that is this: a fetus is not a human, and it is not one because it does NOT have a heart, lungs, hands or feet. Those are things which define what is human and what is life. At some point, the fetus does develop those, which is why the late term (when the fetus is further along and closer to birtt and breathing) abortions should be banned in all instances EXCEPT where a woman will for sure die in childbirth. That decision should only be made by those involved, not people like me yammering on a keyboard or blowhards like Bill O'Reilly. But that's my take anyway, others don't agree as this thread clearly indicates. It hasn't been settled after millions of words elsewhere, I don't expect my words to do anything except inflame others on this board, but there ya have it.

They can both be left at home. Just carry the clusterfuck-o-lette™ . Basically it's all the 20-40 foot long rope ends and extra webbing you can round up. You load up with all the weight you can manage and yet still stand vertically, then cast off and pray. Here's some examples. Rescue? What rescue? Just use the patented Mount Hood Method - the first choice when the shit hits the fan for Mt Hood climbers (cell phone)

found it thanks

Yesterday my youngest turned 19. He's a great kid.....don't know where he got it from, but I'm not complaining.

Do you think in anyway your petty, ignorant insults add anything of substance to the conversation? Or is it more likely showing you to be a small minded thinker and a petty tyrant type of Napoleon, who, too stupid and ignorant to address the arguments in any manner with logic resort to personal attacks? Just askin? No need to get all huffy again! Lifes too short.

Hey, à bientôt Monsieur, are we to yet again hope to see some more sweet upskirt and down blouse pics?

These right wing wackos are your neighbors JB: we must surmise that you must be doing a poor job at proselytizing for the left wing wackos up there. "Shawna Forde, is the leader of Minutemen American Defense, a group out of Washington state that conducts operations along the U.S.-Mexican border in Arizona. "

I thought Jim had it and it had been screend a couple times at the party house? Maybe I need to do a movie night at my house? His is crowded.

Harden Flats. There is a pay campground just outside of the valley as well that I've used, you might check it on a map. The other possibility is that you can find a friendly face in a regular site and ask to crowd into their site. I saw that done a bit last time town, in fact, we had a climber pop in with us and then he moved over to another bud. 6 is the limit of bodies in a site and 2 cars, so observe accordingly.

Yeah Doug, but it moved to Yosemite and there was a real list of routes in the valley that identified what that grade was. Like Serenity Sons defined what a 5.11 was. It was the standard that other routes were suppose to be measured by to determine if another route was in fact a 5.11. Was it as hard as Serenity Crack 3rd pitch? Until they downgraded it to 10d:-) Somethings never change though, and that's these kinds of discussions.

Wait? (shock) Shop vacs are! Get out and get sum Porter.

WTF? We all can see through this facade and recognize that you don't eat healthy...we have the pictures to prove it.

Wait till they bring back some ice samples from Mars and the SFTF! Probably make the accident killer bee release and Escherichia coli look like small pile of dog poop on the lawn. Well, if it was a B rated Sci fi movie anyway....

Spelled Haydar. Yes, he is a real good guy, solid and safe. Crack climbing fool, he'll go to Trout any day you want BTW. Check your email on another subject.

Connectivity strikes. http://www.seattlepi.com/local/6420ap_wa_pacific_northwest_trail.html "June 13, 2009 12:00 a.m. PT Obama creates Pacific Northwest Trail By NICHOLAS K. GERANIOS ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER NORTHPORT, Wash. -- When the national scenic trails system was created four decades ago, the goal was to build a walking path across the United States. That goal came closer to reality in March, when President Obama signed a bill creating the Pacific Northwest National Scenic Trail and two others. They are the first such trails designated in 26 years. "The dream of a transcontinental pathway across America is 1,200 miles closer to reaching fruition," said Ron Strickland, a former Washington resident who first proposed the Pacific Northwest trial in 1970. The trail will eventually run from Glacier National Park in Montana to the Pacific Ocean at Cape Alava in Washington. Portions of the trail have existed for centuries, and for the past three decades the nonprofit Pacific Northwest Trail Association has been gradually improving the route and erecting a few signs. The federal designation means money will be provided to connect all portions of the trail, build bridges and other improvements, and erect signs and access points along its length, said Jon Knechtel of the association. "I anticipate that within 10 years, this will gain the same popularity as the Pacific Crest Trail," Knechtel said. The Forest Service will manage the trail, but "there is no structure or organization as yet," said Tom Knappenberger, a spokesman for the agency in Portland, Ore. The trail is located in some of the roughest, most mountainous and emptiest country in the nation, along the Canadian border. It passes through three national parks - Glacier, North Cascades and Olympic - and seven national forests. It is the only national scenic trail that connects two others - the Pacific Crest Trail and the Continental Divide Trail - meaning a person could hike from near the Mexican border, up to North Cascades National Park, east to Glacier National Park, and then down to the Mexican border again. A contiguous cross-country trail from the Atlantic to the Pacific oceans was the dream of President Johnson and Interior Secretary Mo Udall when they created the national trail system in 1968. But the eight existing trails developed independently. Now their dream is only 900 miles short of reality, Strickland, who lives in Bedford, Mass., said. He would like to see the remaining miles designated in time for the 50th anniversary of the National Trails System in 2018. After conceiving the idea for the PNW trail, Strickland worked tirelessly to raise funds, recruit volunteers, cut brush and lobby politicians. He also wrote the first guide for hiking the trail, after making his first thru-hike in 1983. The PNW trail was created March 30 as part of a public lands bill that also created the New England National Scenic Trail and the Arizona National Scenic Trail. They were the first additions to the national scenic trails system in more than two decades, and bring the total number of such trails to 11. The Appalachian Trail is the best known. While the trail is well-marked and well-used in portions of western Washington state, mostly in state parks, for most of its route it is primitive. At Northport, seven miles south of the Canadian border, the trail can be accessed at the edge of the local landing strip, and followed up into the Selkirk Mountains. There are no markers, but maps are available at the trail association's web site. Northport is a former mining town along the banks of the spectacular Columbia River. The 300 residents provide services for people traveling across two nearby border crossings, and also to hunters, fishers and other outdoor enthusiasts. Boosters of the trail contend it will be a boon for isolated communities like Northport and Metaline Falls, Wash., Bonners Ferry, Idaho and Eureka, Mont. But even people in communities along the route are not exactly sure what to expect. "I've heard of it," said Curt Balcom, owner of Rivers Edge 1 Stop of Northport. "It would be good for my business." But Balcom acknowledged that local businesses know almost nothing about the trail, have no maps or other written material, and aren't even sure exactly how to find it. Knechtel, of Burlington, a retired supervisor at timber giant Weyerhaeuser, got involved in efforts to create the trail in the 1970s. In the past six years, the trail has seen an increasing number of hikers who travel the entire distance, perhaps 30 to 50 a year, he said. In a few popular areas, more than 1 million people per year walk on the trail, he said."

OK, which of you jackals gave this a 5 star rating so as to suck me in!!!!

LOL, "I know what you are thinking, I gave at the bailout".... Indeed I was thinking that as he spoke it!

I find that I have this occur with just my stomach even when naked.....

Good looking dog Geoff, looks smart, ...bet you have to feed him canned dog food to bribe him to stick with you. lol Talkin slow here for some folks:-) OK, Neck cave noted below. It's where the NECK is. Not mouth cave, that's where the MOUTH is under the nose there. It's the belay anchors right where the arrow points, so useful only in an emergency as you'll be leaving gear on the bolts if you are forced to rap it. Plus if you go straight down, before you get level with the notch you are way overhanging and must be bouncing in and out to stay in contact with the rock. Pretty dicey at night with no moon as you need to wrap the rope around your leg and claw your way east as you drop the direction of the arrows shaft to connect with the Pioneer route. Summiting would be easier unless you were injured or it was dark. PS, thanks for the compliment on the pre-written TR of olde. _________________________________________________________ Nice Jimmies TR too. 5 stars for Conga Line is after it's cleaned:-) 3 now, but it would of course be a negative number if a rock beaned you. Mike will be back, the scorpion stings have healing power. The "Cult of the Scorpion" begins.

Damn sad. Just a reminder to all: driving a friggan car, especially AFTER you are tired and have spend the day climbing, is damned hazardous. I've been getting in the habit of pulling off the road someplace and napping. 30-60 min and I pop up awake ready to go. Dingus himself points out that he had years earlier fallen asleep on the drive home after climbing and the resulting head on impact broke his neck in several places and nearly killed him. It was a year till he climbed again. It's common, Bacher had one of those late night accidents coming home from a trade show that killed the driver and broke his neck in several places as well..... those guys got lucky is all. Best just pull over and take a nap. RIP Brutus, we'll hopefully meet up in the future and be climbing the Pearly Gates if all goes well when our time comes all too soon as well...

Wow, that could have been ugly, congrats on the near miss working out OK. Whew!

Insert gratuitous backclipping pic found on internet here: Anyone ever seen a draw ever unclip? Was it "backclipped".

We once bailed off the NECK cave to SW face side. it was pitch dark No headlamps desperate ropes got stuck. this is a real, real long story best told over a campfire as it involves Great Blue Herons ice fishing on a frozen pond, partner abandonment, picking up cans for money, no sleeping bag in sub zero weather, broken down VW Bus and a carburetor "rebuild" and theft (and return of ) our climbing gear. Point is, a single rope 60 meter out of the neck (off the south side) rap gets you to the flat spot below the notch of the Pioneer route and you can get down from there. That's all I know for sure.