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This thread is full of them, and great links to back them up. If you think you're right and they're wrong, this kind of post only shows the weakness and lack of power for your position Nitrox. JB and Prole do overreach all the time, but when they do, point it out to them and back it up with a link and some facts. I thought Clinton said it best on the tax cuts for the rich thing: he said (I'm paraphrasing) it doesn't make any sense to not collect that money from folks who can afford it, and go borrow it form the Chinese instead.... As far as all the ranking and dissing on Libertarians, few rational persons were supporting the Bush economic drive down to hell that he took this country, no matter what your politics. "Tax and spend" like the Dems get charged with is arguably better any day of the week than the "borrow and spend" policies of all recent republican presidents from Reagan on. Thanks for the great debate guys. It's a good read, made better by less personal attacks than normal.

Well that's awesome but not as awesome as Cougarlife.com!

Damn, I was just going to say you'd call him a regressive corporate tool and you beat me to it... crap. Too slow...AGAIN! Now here's how "progressives" plan on beating international Jihadism without resorting to being regressive corporate tools. http://www.withallourmight.com/more.html Good thing we have an alternative to the Bush administrations doctrine! In fact, here's a review for you to shorten this process up: "Anyone who questions whether Democrats are capable of taking charge of America's fight against jihadist terror should read this book. It offers a compelling alternative to the one-dimensional Bush doctrine, a progressive vision for recapturing the totality of America's strength and our ideas and ideals, as well as our military might to defend our way of life." -- Senator Joseph Biden, Delaware " Bottom line, with our new 2 dimension policy we toss over money and they will hunt down the bastards for us (insert a few more buzzwords here same same as the last group blah blah)...... http://www.withallourmight.com/WAOM_chapter_summaries.pdf Wait, the non-regressive no-corporate tools did get elected! Why we spending all that money in Afghanistan...unless we are, "progressives" included, all regressive corporate tools! Ah haah! regressive corporate tools! regressive corporate tools! regressive corporate tools! regressive corporate tools! regressive corporate tools! regressive corporate tools! Ah hah! Out with the old "Regressive corporate tools!" and in with the new "regressive progressive corporate tools! " Same same, glad we have the new/old same same jb, thanks for pointing out the differences. Did ya ever look up how much scratch Obama got from the Goldman Sacks folks? How about form others? http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html It's a tangled web, but the more you look, the more you'll say "same-same"!

No Geoff: bolts can be fine, smoking out of a rock pipe is fine, running around naked is fine, enjoying your life and drinking in moderation is fine too. Beer is fine, wine is fine. It's all good. Swimming naked is fine too. Ever try it? Get naked and swim over to that island after climbing at Beacon in the summer? I used to do it a lot. You can almost wade over there in August when the river drops, and its a short refreshing swim. Crap, when I was young I lived with @ 10 folks once, and we all hung out at the nude beach a lot (Sauvies). One of them was a 62 year old heavy woman. Anyone who is all uptight probably should head over there, strip it off and get over themselves. Crap, you head over to Copenhagen or and when the first suns of spring are out there's naked and half naked folks sunning all over the city in the parks. Some smokin hot women too. You dudes just need to relax a tad and lighten up on all these judgmental things you have running all inside yer minds. .

.....the strawberries regressives, it was the strawberries regressives.....

Thanks Ivan! These naked pics always seem to get positive comments from the ladies and snorts or derision from the men. There's some better ones out there which will show up at some point. This route is located to the left of "Adam's Crack". We had listed that route as a 5.7, but after watching a 5.8/5.9 climber stress a bit on the top of that one the other day, we bumped the grade up. This one will most likely get a single bolt up high later so you can run up an otherwise unprotected fin, and not feel compelled to traverse back into Adams Crack. Here is the earlier naked FA trip reports for those routes: http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/865271/Opinons_needed_thread_NSFW#Post865271 http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/875734/Searchpage/3/Main/66293/Words/Adams+crack/Search/true/NSW_naked_pics_Let_your_freak_#Post875734 Per Ivans earlier critique of illicit use of shoes, they were left on the ground for this go round. The pro looked better in person than these shots indicate. Adam FA and first naked ascent of "The Left Cheek". ps, I was emailed that there were actually 9 people lap Tribal Therapy this weekend, not 7. The interesting part of that is that most of the usual suspects were on the North Face of Beacon for the parade and not in the vicinity this weekend.

"The Left Cheek" saw a FA this weekend (after extensive cleaning and previous TR climbing last year) and was done in keeping with the tradition of all the routes on the Bare Buttress at The Far Side in that the leader was buck assed naked. No harness, shoes or chalk bag. Bowline on a coil tie in. I don't have clearance for the naked pics yet. So here's 2 old masters: Jeff Thomas and Jim Opdycke. This route, Tribal Therapy, saw a record 7 people on it this weekend. Jeff Jim In keeping with the "Old People Climb?" theme, here's one of me belaying Adam on the FA of "The Left Cheek". My wife had told me in advance that no one likes seeing old tired wrinkly assed dudes, so I kept my clothes on. Our combined ages total 176 years, with @ 114 years climbing between the 3 of us....so the wrinkly old grandpa dudes all stayed clothed.

It was said that he had a "stable" relationship:-) As far as the 3 mice goes, they may have just met the Farmers Wife and her carving knife. At least I think that's what his attorney will assert.

I'm sure sorry to see it happen. I like the challenge of looking up at a big assed boulder and wondering if I'm good enough....and often walking away if I don't have a posse to egg me on:-) One of the issues is that people do not know they are not the first (coupled with ease of drilling these days). Secrecy works against you. They didn't know you've been lapping the thing without bolts for year and years. BTW, I thought I said that I don't remember bolts at Elgin in 76. Rattlesnakes, sure. No bolts. Don't know what it looks like now. I know that Lute Jerstat had put in the bolts on top at Angel Basin back when, (actually, Dave Jensen had put them in for him) little steel Rawl split shank 1/4'ers. They seemed like a great thing there in the crackless granite. I can feel your sadness and wish you well in your quest Checat.

Shhhhh, come on, don't TELL them and ruin it for everyone else!

Ditto on the museums, but there is a 3rd one you should do for sure, even if you pass on everything else: the Rijksmuseum. I've spent a lot of time in that city when I was real young, and always enjoyed the discos, Frites (with Mayonnaise) and Eels on streetcorners and hash bars. Pick up a tourist book and thumb through it to see what you want to do, but you certainly have been doing what the book would recommend. There is an amazing 2nd hand sale street thing I'd look for. I forget what they called it, but there was some amazing stuff folks would haul into it to sell. I'd pass on Belgium, as the Dutch beer is as good and the night scene is better. BTW, Dutch prostitutes give prostitution a good name. They love their work, are highly skilled and I found it always worth the money. There was a 2nd area that was a better value, you probably could get there via taxi. Eindhoven has the Phillips muesuem there, looks like a space craft... and not much else that I remember. You'd probably do better driving to a small town and having lunch and meeting locals. So, sucks, but there could be worse places to be stranded I suppose. Dutch folks are real nice. Stay away from the Moluccans and do NOT buy hash from them.

Nice post Stonehead. I just finished the book "Lenins Tomb"....shocking stuff. http://www.amazon.com/Lenins-Tomb-Last-Soviet-Empire/dp/0679751254/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271476412&sr=1-1 In this story, a richly detailed tapestry of the breakdown of the largest totalitarian empire in the world - the Frogs were the "Progressives", but they got burned by the Storks in a huge and shocking manner. The depths of horror institutionalized by the state on it's own citizens makes one grateful (and more watchful and suspicious) for what we have as Americans.

LOL! Good stuff. BTW, No answer yet as the bastard has been out climbing ...if you can imagine, anyway - I'll see Adam tomorrow and tell him to WAKE the F*up and log on. Might be late tomorrow.

I know plenty of liberals who despite appearing otherwise normal, distrust vaccinations as "anti-natural" and thus not good. You seem to see everything in the world in a right wing/left wing polarity viewpoint that doesn't exist in reality. That somehow this is only a right wing issue is just not true, it crosses the divide. http://thestatsblog.wordpress.com/2009/10/20/anti-vaccination-a-left-wing-disease/

"Hey man, I was born in East LA!!!!!" Cheech: "Hey man, I forgot my Id it's in my wallet" The man: "Sure: then tell me, who's the President of the United States"? Cheech: "Uhhh, Hey man, ...uhhh...it's that cowboy dude....uhhhh ...John Wayne!" The man: "Get in the truck with the rest of the wets' Mex"

come on, try and keep up....

..or the morons who choose to sit in the hot water ignoring reality as the heat gradually gets turned up.....

Is dressing up like a Nazi and pretending to pretend to be a teaparty dude so as to discredit them a good thing to do? Seems pretty abnormal to me, and real real wrong as well. Like Ivan said, if he could do his job, leave him alone: however, given the immoral, improper and disingenuous tactics this asswipe was employing, I can't believe he'd be a good teacher, or even a marginal one. I can appreciate someone believing in a cause, and having open debates in a class so as to challenge kids assumptions -that's what school is for. But this "I need to win at any cost" thing...whew! Those guys who discredited Acorn, same thing where they are trying to tap a congresswomans phone.

Wasn't a bolt there in 1976. HEAR HIM!!!! HEAR HIM!!!! HEAR HIM MY BROTHERS!!!!

Looks like you need some bolts there Ivan........

It's sure as hell drying up one bit at a time. The government is grabbing it when they can. The lawyers and we the people are letting or assisting them in taking it away one piece at a time.

Are the "progressives" the ants or the grasshoppers in your world jb?

Before you biches get all serious like, how is it that one didn't get posted yet? From here: http://thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?p=45197 "Once upon a time, there was an ant and a grasshopper. The ant was a wealthy capitalist who owned a chain of "big box" stores, and spent all summer counting his money, while the grasshopper labored very hard making money for the ant. In short, the ant exploited the grasshopper. ~ All summer long, the ant would smoke cigars, drink martinis, and see prostitutes. The grasshopper would simply work as a slave for the ant and turn over his meager pay to A.N.S.W.E.R., The Rachel Corrie Memorial Fund, and the Barack Obama campaign. Then the winter came. It was a cold and dark winter, and the grasshopper had nothing to eat. The bitter temperatures were caused by global warming, as the ant-made pollutants created heat pockets that actually lowered temperatures. The grasshopper was hungry, for he had no money left. And so, he approached the ant: "Ant, my dear dear ant, please find it in your heart to spare just a tiny morsel of food so that I and my family might survive to see one more day." The ant thought about this humble request. After several days of contemplation, the ant went to the grasshopper's house and approached the grasshopper's family. And then, without any hesitation, the ant raped the grasshopper's daughter so violently that she would have preferred death instead. However, the ant realized what the consequences of his actions might be, and so went from abortion clinic to abortion clinic, tossing gasoline bombs, dismembering doctors, and raping nurses. All in the name of Jesus, he would say. It is what the bible told him to do. And so, without abortions, the grasshopper population multiplied far beyond its scientifically-calculated sustainable optimality. And all these new grasshoppers were hungry. By the spring, half the grasshopper population died from either starvation or from the ant's insistence on sending grasshoppers to far-off lands to launch wars against innocent Islamic grasshoppers. However, that summer, the grasshopper got himself a different job -- at The United States Department of Housing and Urban Development. His job was "Assistant Deputy Analyst" in the HOPE program, which mandates that ants pay the mortgages of those home-owning grasshoppers who have more pressing needs than to pay fort heir own homes. The grasshopper's responsibilities included "being able to analyze and prepare official HOPE documents while demonstrating proficiency in equivalent tasks and programs". In practice, this required the demands of attending many meetings and learning how to use "email". Much of the HOPE time was spent making contributions to United for Peace and Justice and The Nation of Islam from the grasshopper's desk. And once again, hunger arrived in the winter. And the grasshopper approached the ant: "Hey ant, I'm gettin' in your face this year, know what I'm sayin? You owe me, unnerstan'? I got demands and you better respec' them." The ant returned to his guarded estate, and a few days later, received a visit from someone unfamiliar. It was a grasshopper, but one whom he had never before met. This new grasshopper said, "Ant...I am here to collect your money, which I will then give to the other grasshoppers, and will keep some for myself. If you do not agree, I will, at gunpoint, drag you to a prison cell where you will be anally violated while your life rots away in isolation." The new grasshopper had a badge. It said "I.R.S." And the ant turned over his plundered wealth to the I.R.S. grasshopper. Forevermore, for the rest of his life, the ant, with his bottomless pit of money, would give and give to the grasshoppers -- providing for their food, their health care, their housing, their homes, and everything else that the grasshoppers could ever want or need, as determined by their educated leaders. Moral: Rich capitalist ants have an endless supply of wealth that was stolen from the working class. It can never be depleted and it will always be there for taking -- by any means. It is not theirs, it belongs to the people, and shall be controlled by the people's leaders. Kids: Let's educate your parents, kill the capitalists, and live in a Socialist Paradise! God DAMN Amerikkka!" ____________________________________________________________ I think the moral of that story is that we all should be careful of what we're smokin.

I'm with Ivan. Even if the weather looks marginal, it's a great time to go up to tie-in rock for the solitude and wilderness thing. If you happen to have some buddies and some skis, that works too.....might also consider heading up to the top of Barrett Spur on the N side. Snow dome is right there, and the view from Barrett, assuming you can see the Mt at all, is unmatched.