good point but i don't know, there are a shit load of posers in bellingham
like me i only climb 5.8a thats why i was pissed cause i coun't figure out how to make the blue tape route (the 5.8b+) into a straight 5.8a- so i tryed and got really pumped cause the belayer gave me shitty beta, and i pitched cause i did it the 5.8+ way, or was it the 5.8b way, shit now i'm all confused damit.