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Maybe softer because women are often lighter than guys.

SK - I never found a good book on aid climbing. There are so many little trix and stuff, that the best is to have people show you. If you wanna come to squampton, then I could show you some, but I'm not an expert. I bet fern would too. Now where are my aiders??? It's the best excuse to buy new gear!

Don't worry a-gal, you don't need to climb to talk smack! Not around here anyway! Welcome to one of the most engaging sports ever invented. Be safe and most important - have fun. I think the mock lead is a great idea. It is amazing how much more complex the whole deal can seem on the sharp end. Get someone who you trust to check you out. Remember your partner should be someone you can truly trust with you life. Never be afraid, or worse, ashamed to back down and go home. Scare yourself sometimes, but only in good ways. When you know what good fear is you will be on your way to being a safer climber. Climbing can be deadly, but it doesn't have to be. Screwing up can get you killed. At the same time it can be one of the most rewarding things you will ever do. It can take you to amazing places where most people will never go, and it will hook you up with some of the coolest people on the planet. Above all it is what you make of it.

Distel- If you read closer I think you will see that they are not talking about avy beacons, but rather EPIRBS or something like that.

WTF are you talking about??????????

Hsy DFA, maybe if you had a skier in your avatarpic you could be as good as us.

Sad but true, now 22 under. Level with gregm, pulling ahead of DFA.

Like I said, you love what you got. I have gotten _1_ Wallnut stuck ever. It's on Lion's Way in the Bugs if anyone wants it.

I've always climbed with wallnuts. I supplement with met curveswhen I want more than one set. I think whatever nuts you own will be your faves. Just stay away from anything really weird. You get used to the peculiarities of each shape. Cams- buy the best. Don't bother with hexes unless you are broke or trying to save weight (ie. alpine). Best to me eqauls small aliens, midsize metolious, and large camalots. I think large cams are the place to save money if you need to. There really isn't much diff in a big camalot and a big forged friend. When you are trying to dink in a little placement you will be blessing the guy who invented aliens/tcus though. YMMV. Oh yeah, one more thing. BUY SETS. Don't mix and match!

ALL OF THEM. TV SUX!

No S%$t it's got technical climbing!

I got the ball on top of the border of the one with the long z, hole 8 I think. I don't curse it anymore. iain -->>

Necro, I think your point is lost because it seems these guys were working on a PRACTICE rescue! Well maybe your point is valid actually, since the "climbing injury" wasn't that severe...

My point is that they feel like mid 10 slabs, not like mid 10 smiff routes! Duh!

Ahh, so you finally caught up to me! I've got the screen shot for proof.

The subtitle says the France-Spain border, doesn't it? And it looks like a heli rescue to me??? Just a good reminder to avoid rescue at all costs! I was told a story, don't know the veracity of it, about another heli job gone bad. Aparrently helis lose some of their lift when they go from land to water. THe pilot forgot this, and lost the bird with him rescue crew, injured patient, and partner. It was a broken arm 5 miles from the road.

My opinion: I think grades are always sandbags when you are new to an area. I would love to see some of you smiff types on a few of the "mid 10" squamish slabs! New kinds of climbing, and new kinds of rock always mess us up for awhile. Getting used to big long exposed routes, or short hard routes makes people squeal that the routes are sandbagged! I think the real value of grades is to give people an idea of relative stuff in the area. It is idealistic to think that they will seamlessly go from one area to an other. Of course Skaha is an exception to this whole discussion!

I got to vote, it just gave me some 404 error. The results speak for themselves though.

Really??? Must have been someone else. I think timmy should give Muffy all of sk's posts

I like Muffy wayyyy better! Don't change it!

130. no comment. Well OK one - you get more points for hitting the in the Nuts than for getting a goal.

Here's a now spill!

Or do you have another excuse for being up spraying at 12:50 AM? dude looks kinda sleepy too!

Saad eh? Truthfully though, I was using it as stress relief between bouts of bookeeping. Thankfully that task is almost done.

DFA is no longer the champ of this tournament... 19 under par... I 12:00 21 under...