Thinker

looks like it could be fun here, too. "Can't you smell that smell? Lynyrd Skynyrd notwithstanding - when you are out on a multiday climb, how do you deal with the smell? You know, the one that wafts through the tent when you sit cross legged in front of your partners? How does one minimize that skanky odour?"

quote: Originally posted by texplorer: does via ferrata mean literally -by way of iron Dolomite "Vie Ferrate" Italian (iron ways) singular "Via Ferrata", from this page. more good info here

where did you find the story?

http://trask.org/Trask/Trask.html WOW!

quote: Originally posted by iain: the other classic link to send to co-workers is the "I love gay porn" link. Basically loads up an mpeg that screams "I'm looking at gay porn" and opens 15 other windows doing the same thing with all kinds of images. Sent it to a friend and he dived under his desk to unplug the computer. I don't have the link anymore, and I'm pretty sure you guys don't want it anyway. reminds me of this one www.dms100.org/worksucks

and what's you're opinion on the WAC?

euro size 38 (approx us womens size 6.5) Scarpa Infernos for sale. used in the gym once and 4 slab pitches outside....like new. $90 pm or email me if you're interested. Seattle. check out the stats: Link 1 Link 2

quote: Originally posted by trask: Don't forget the insulin. Here's a partner for ya Rev. careful what you're sayin', Trask....that's my sister.

quote: Originally posted by Stefan: I am a little more knowledgeable about breaks in the ankle region since the past couple of weeks. Do you know what the doctors are calling his type of break? I neglected to ask about that. (Typical of me, though, I'm always getting hammered for forgetting to ask such things as: Is your new baby a boy or a girl? Congrats on your engagement, when is the wedding? etc, etc)

quote: Originally posted by Greg W: Is she sure a didn't push it over on her? They can get violent. I never considered the snafflehound factor on Sunday. There could have been some funny biz going on there....an ambush in the dark on wet rock....what a plan!

http://www.theearthtoymall.com/4milclearpla.html so whatcha going to do with them? [ 11-13-2002, 02:56 PM: Message edited by: Thinker ]

Just found out that my climbing partner broke his ankle on the descent of Outerspace on Sunday...at the time we thought it was just sprained. We started the climb fully realizing that sunset was at 4:30 and were prepared with headlamps, this time. (Unlike our descent from the top of the apron at Squamish last year, but that's a different story.) Topped out at 6:30 after climbing the last pitch and a half by headlamp and a half moon...ultimately cool experience. After some snacks and downtime at the top and we started the descent. About 10 minutes into it my bud slipped on a short section of downclimbing and took a short hop with a bad landing. In all actuality, it could have just as easily happened in broad daylight. Needless to say, it slowed us to a snail's pace. We reached the main trail around 1 am, and the trailhead around 3:30. X-rays yesterday showed a full-fledged break. I admire his grit for pushing thru the pain and hobbling out to the trailhead (vs calling in SAR.) I'm not entirely sure I could do the same without some good drugs.

I drive a old Saab. The only time it didn't get me to where I wanted to go was for a winter trip to the Colchuk Glacier. I think chains would have gotten me to the trailhead as the road was packed down by 4x4s and snow machines, but as it happened, we parked near Icicle Creek and humped it to the trailhead. [ 11-12-2002, 06:05 PM: Message edited by: Thinker ]

I agree that breed, temperament, training, and socialization of the hound are all critical to a pup's being welcome at the crag. Retrosaurus made some critical points; I'll add to them and go a bit further. Some breeds, like most retrivers, are happy sitting and waiting for Mr Master to come back down..others go insane (translated as NOISY) if they're tied to a tree and forced to wait. Separation anxiety (previously noted) causes similar behavior. Herding, pointing, and foxing breeds (and most terriers) would not fit inot the 'mellow' category very often. Socialization is key, too. On several occasions now I've been one the first people on Theater of Shaddows, a popular multipitch route at City of Rocks and come back to my pack at the base, only to find some seriously aggressive dogs protecting MY pack from me whilst their owners were a few pitches up. As I'm pretty comfy with dogs I had a decision to make...am I going to beat the dog senseless to get my pack (thus incurring personal liability for myself) or will I risk getting bit by the savage beast (thus incurring liability for the dog owner.) As ladies were present on each of those occasions I took the high road and retrieved the packs without the big stick in hand. As it turned out each time, no bites, but there was a lot of posturing by myself and the ill-willed mutts. Training and temperament: If you're not experienced with dog training, do some research, or pay to talk with a real expert about your needs and expectations for the animal. Some dogs are simply not genetically up to the task of hanging out and waiting quietly no matter how much time you spend training and socializing them...it's a fact. If you have the luxury of picking a dog from a litter you can often spot the ones with a laid-back personality. Look for the one that quietly stays in the back of the pack, wagging it's tail, waiting to be noticed. Make sure it's alert and healthy (not sick.) This technique may work at the pound too with a few modifications. A good solution: find a babysitter. preferably one who will come climbing with you and hang out with the dog and sunbath, read a book, meditate, or something else constructive. another consideration: get a dog with a short coat (hair). it makes it much more comfy for the pooch on hot days in the sun. and remember: if you make a wrong choice or slack off with training and socialization in the early years of the dog's life it's pretty difficult to part with the beast, no matter how anti-social it is or becomes. Lambone, if you've already got the dog you'll need to make sure the dog is friendly to everyone it meets...it kinda rules out the guard dog training. The worst thing that could happen is to have a dog that is protective of your gear rip into some unsuspecting kid while you're on a route and out of control of the dog. [ 11-12-2002, 05:54 PM: Message edited by: Thinker ]

Another variation on indoor anchors at home is using the crack between an open door (hinge side) and the door frame for anchors. Stoppers work reasonably well and add a vertical component (both directions) to the system. (Just don't hang on them or you'll damage the woodwork.) Cams can work between pickets and railings on decks if the spacing is small enough. Spire Rock would even be better, if it's dry and close enough to home. [ 11-12-2002, 10:50 AM: Message edited by: Thinker ]

This link indicates SAC and SVC are related. I personally don't know anything about the club or the class. If you're still looking at alternatives, check out the WAC. One of the better courses in the PacNW, IMHO.

good idea, LG. I gave them a call and, alas, no alcohol. However, I'm sure we could find a pub in the area and order a bunch in for delivery.

here's the proof

11/05/2002 By RAY LANE / KING 5 News It was an awesome sight Tuesday in the shadow of Mount Rainier as a helicopter lifted a horse to safety after the animal had falled 200 feet into a ravine. Mikey is airlifted to safety. “It looked a little bit different, it looked a little bit strange but the animal didn’t move, one quick kick as we lifted off the ground, and then I think the tranquilizer took effect. They gave it just prior to me arriving,” said pilot Dan Uttecht. Once on the ground, the horse named Mikey slowly started shaking off the affects of the tranquilizers. Mikey had become separated from some other horses late Monday. After a handler had found him and started walking him out of the woods, Mikey fell off a cliff, plunging 200 feet, tumbling and rolling into a ravine. Barry Sader was walking Mikey when the horse fell. “He just lost his footing on a narrow trail and went over the side. It was a long ways down,” said Mikey’s owner, Ron Engle. Barry Sader was walking Mikey to safety when he fell. Mikey was on his feet in no time. “The most helpless, terrifying thing to see in my entire life," said Sader, fighting back tears. "Because it’s just like seeing a dear friend go over, and there’s not a thing you can do.“ “It’s amazing … the terrain is near vertical, and that there wasn’t obvious broken bones or fractures,” said Dan Hudson, Pierce County Sheriff’s Dept. Multimedia KING 5's Ron Lane reports Rescue teams stayed with the horse until Tuesday morning’s flight. Mikey's owner will pay for the vet bills and the use of the rescue helicopter.

but alas, I've only mounted the bike once more since that summer, and that was in the company of the legendary Hoop (and company) in the tulip fields. I have been thinking about it lately though, esp in light of this strengthening of the knees thread.

I still have it displayed in my profile if you miss it.

proof that Snafflehounds have been watching too much Trask