Thinker

surfing a bit here at work....interesting report. Can't believe I beat Trask to it, though he'd have probably just snipped the photos and posted them. Human Waste in the Alpine Environment

whoops [ 08-23-2002, 10:35 AM: Message edited by: Thinker ]

quote: Originally posted by freeclimb9: And I don't think the shit-in-a-bag is the end of the story at the Tetons; it's a management experiment. IMHO, to make the shit-in-a-bag work, a rebate of the entrance fee should be given for each filled bag. I wholeheartedly agree with you on both of these points.

quote: Originally posted by erden: Thinker: that would be Steve Firebaugh, and he posts as SEF here... Look for his profile and send him a PM. Erden. Thanks for the correction.....still a bit foggy this morn.....

quote: Originally posted by freeclimb9: Think, Thinker. Why would someone want to carry out their own shit, particularly when there's historically been a toilet available? So there was an outhouse on the lower saddle, sh*t is still strewn all over the rest of the approach. Granted, the ls is one of the higher impact camps there, but where do (we) climbers get off layin a log and walking away from it ANYWHERE? It's all about responsibility. It sounds to me like the NPS is trying to force the issue (raise awareness?) a bit, here, by removing the famous potty pad. quote: At the lower saddle in the Tetons --now that the shitter-with-a-view has been removed-- I predict that people will more often leave their shit rather than carry it out in the Reststop2 bags.sadly, I agree with you. [ 08-23-2002, 10:09 AM: Message edited by: Thinker ]

I know JK asked about TRAD leads, so this is technically thread drift, but I like Screaming Yellow Zonkers at Smith. Bolted. 10b, I think.......

I'm headed off to the Tetons this evening and have found myself pondering this point, based on a bit of background info I ran across: Why does the 'blue bag' system, i.e. "pack it out", used (and accepted) so widely on Mt. Rainier and other places in the Cascades face so much resistance at other heavily used alpine areas? Teton NP is facing a huge waste management issue with the recent removal of a high elevation outhouse on the approach to the Grand Teton, and all the locals are screaming loudly that the blue bag system is not acceptable. I personally don't mind being responsible for my trash/waste/impacts. Does anyone have examples of other areas where the system does or doesn't work? Any other related issues to bring up? Edited to correct Steve's last name: Added text as an afterthought: I've seen Steve Firebaugh (Seattle Mountianeers Climbing Class big dude) posting here recently....Steve how do your class participants handle waste management on official and unofficial trips? [ 08-23-2002, 10:36 AM: Message edited by: Thinker ]

quote: Originally posted by thelawgoddess: thanks - mostly about soloing via tr, but "interesting" anyway. I originally thought the post by 'Noggin' had some value. Upon reviewing it, I've changed my mind. He's advocating the use of an Ushba ascender for lead climbing.....not good! The silent partner is a GREAT choice....the only one, really. [ 08-22-2002, 01:01 PM: Message edited by: Thinker ]

Hey Attitude, check your PM. got the info you wanted....

quote: Originally posted by thelawgoddess: my silent partner isn't getting shipped out until monday, so until then i need a real live talking one. I'm a screamer! [ 08-22-2002, 04:34 PM: Message edited by: Thinker ]

quote: Originally posted by Lambone: greeeaat... it's kinda funny that the Bibler website does not have any information about warranty or repair. except for this: quote: from bibler web site: I need repair work or need a modification done to my tent, where can I send it? We refer all our non-warranty repair work to Rainy Pass Repair in Seattle, WA. We believe Rainy Pass to be the foremost authority on single wall tent repair in the country. They are not cheap but they do excellent, competent work. They also will take on modifications (for a price). based on this post: I'm PISSED , you'll probably pay thru the nose if you use Rainy Pass.

I know what you mean, they're everywhere nowadays! My advice is to take the stuff into the bathroom before you tear of the magnetic strip and stuff it in your waistband. It's still illegal to put cameras in the bathrooms.

So I did the repair last night with Seam Sealer. Nice big patch on the outside to start with. Looked great this morning. I decided not to put a patch on the inside as it looked pretty good the way it was. Trimmed some loose edges on the inside and put a little more sealer on those edges. It'll have plenty of time to dry and cure before we head to the Tetons tomorrow eve! Thanks for the tips.

quote: Originally posted by thelawgoddess: i'm less than 24 hours from ordering one - yeehaw!!! anybody with experience care to share? some expressed their opinions in this thread: soloing [ 08-22-2002, 09:58 AM: Message edited by: Thinker ]

quote: Originally posted by jaee: Call BD. Get a return authorization #. Ship it back, insured. They will fix it and return it, typically paying the shipping back. I wouldn't hesitate to whine about this happening on a tent the second time you used it. Either the store you bought it from or BD should make it right. You might be surprised: Bibler repair experience I bought my Eldo after quite a bit of research, including talking to my climbing partners and friends who have them. One held up just fine on Denali for weeks, another is old and beat up, but still holds up fine all over the cascades. My eldo stood up in the winds overnight on the summit of Rainier last month, much to my liking. of course, YMMV [ 08-22-2002, 09:46 AM: Message edited by: Thinker ]

quote: Originally posted by erden: This is what you are looking for... That's essentially the one I remember. The guy who had the slide was teaching a Wilderness First Aid course. He spent years doing SAR in the Presidential Range, may still be active. He also had some unique slides of the frozen bodies of 2 ice climbers who had topped out on a route they were climbing on the leeward side of Mt. Wash. At the top they were exposed to the legendary winds and froze solid within minutes. One guy was leaning against a rock, digging in his pack; the other was sprawled out, face down on the ground. Made for some interesting poses when they were put face-up on a litter. [ 08-22-2002, 09:33 AM: Message edited by: Thinker ]

I make a point to wear my helmet when leading. Occasionally when toproping if there's much potential for rockfall from above. When I do space it off I'm a little perturbed at myself. I wear it while scrambling if I have it along...I figure it's just as easy to carry the weight on my head as it is to have it swinging around on my harness or on the back of my pack.

quote: Originally posted by offwidthclimber: i put an 'L' shaped tear in the seat of my Moonstone pants with an ice axe while glissading. That had to be quite a position! I reluctantly find myself trying to envision that one. I once saw a slide of a guy who'd run the shaft of his ice axe thru his abdomen, on the front side, left to right, entering high and exiting low. The medic who showed the slide said the guy did it glissading and walked into the ranger station for assistance that way. Talk about 'true grit'. [ 08-21-2002, 08:57 AM: Message edited by: Thinker ]

Thanks DFA, great idea. aesthetics really aren't an issue. Based on how long seam grip has stayed on my Levis since the last time I sealed the seams on my Bibler, the stuff should last forever. hope you didn't take my slam of the sporties in the Godzilla thread too seriously, it was all tongue-in-cheek.

quote: Originally posted by plexus: Thread drift #3: Thinker I was up on After Six on Sunday, coming down the dirt gulley by headlamp. We always took our food with us. The only time not was cramming the dried apricots into our jar of peanuts while doing SS Minnow in Tulomne the same day. Yeah, I know better than to leave those tempting morsels in my pack. In my race to beat the Russians I blew off the pack check. It was still worth it not to get stuck behind them, though. They were evidently having some real problems that day (which isn't unusual there.) So how did '6' treat you? What else did you climb there?

quote: Originally posted by texplorer: I must agree with the changing partners bit. After having sex with a new partner you feel like a great conqueror and one of the two great needs in life have been fufilled (sex and climbing). After that you can focus on climbing and not think about the runnout. I don't know why SOs insist on bringing up some of the most controversial topics while on the approach to some of the best climbs. Things like "Why did you make that face last night when I started talking about: getting more serious/ my sister coming to live with us for 6 months/ all that time you spend climbing with your friends when you could be climbing with me? Why did you have to be such a bastard when you were looking at the girl who: was cuter/ has a better rack (more cams)/ pulls harder moves...than I do? All I really want to do is meditate a little bit while racking up, give the doll a kiss and lift off. REally don't need all that extra crap floating around in my consciousness when all I want to do is climb. Sometimes it's better just to head off with (platonic) friends for climbing parners.....but of course the benefits at the summit aren't as good that way. ah.........tradeoffs [ 08-20-2002, 12:17 PM: Message edited by: Thinker ]

web page according to this one it may already be open. Anyone know for sure?

tons of climbs there when it opens back up. just a couple miles from The City. web page

so for lack of other options, I went into REI last night. T'would be a week or more til I got my pack back. Said "sorry, no can do...heading to the Tetons this weekend." I asked the kindly young man for a piece of fabric so I can mangle my own (temporary) patch. He gave me a chunk, no charge. I'm impressed.

anyone know the current status of the Castle Rock Ranch?