RuMR

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So, the clean climbing revolution had NOTHING to do with a change in the way climbers approached wilderness and the preservation thereof? You're telling me that nuts caught on ONLY BECAUSE THEY ARE EASY TO USE AND MADE CLIMBS EASIER FOR JOE AVERAGE? "If it's practical, I'll do it. If it helps me get up the cliff, shoot.....IT'S ALL GOOD!" May I summarize your approach to climbing ethics in the previous pseudo-quote? Is this what really motivates you? Just so long as it makes the climb easy, anything goes? Because, my friend, when you begin to allow for permanent alterations to the rock (bolts) in order to facilitate an easier ascent, and when you're Hell-bent on affirming the latest fad for fear of being accused of living in the past, YOU MAY HAVE DIFFICULTY TELLING THE NEXT GENERATION OF CLIMBERS (WHO WISH TO MAKE THINGS EVEN EASIER BY, SAY, CHIPPING A LINE OF BUCKETS) THAT WE SHOULD RESPECT THE NATURAL LIMITATIONS OF THE CLIFF INSTEAD OF MURDERING THE IMPOSSIBLE. Bolts and chipping? U-N-R-E-L-A-T-E-D! Its a far stretch to say that bolts lead to chipping...a very far stretch... Murdering the impossible?? You can't even climb 90% of limestone w/o fixed gear CUZ THERE AINT EVEN A PLACE FOR A THREAD, much less some piece of gear... Elbsandstein, one of the boldest traditional areas around relies on fixed gear...there are rules about placing them, but they are there nonetheless...

Regarding my identity... Please PUSH ME I still think its wrong if you don't post your identiy...anything you say is completely meaningless w/o a "real" person behind it...

Plus they were chilled...that makes it too easy...

Back when I was young people who made such statements about the cowardice of others were not afraid to use their real names while doing so. Golden Age indeed. If it weren't for the juvenile language and obscene images of perverted toads one encounters on this site, I could probably post from my workplace using my real name and not feel embarassed about it. So then, how do you feel about incessant Richard Simmons postings, and Sport climbers are gay posting. This is very offensive in a two-fold manner: 1.) you are insinuating that something is wrong w/ being a homosexual, and 2.) you are then using that little "factoid" to then slam sportclimbing You are a hypocrite if you are who i think you are. Your previous postings point to the fact that you can get right down to the level of JayB and others...So don't play that weak card... You are insinuating that I am Dwayner? I am not. Dwayner has not posted here since he was arbitrarily banned. I know this for a fact. I challenge you to find one statement (made by Dwayner) that sport climbers are gay. I don't think you'll find it. No...i'm insinuating that you are Pope...

Not everybody was bold, but many more people (compared to today) respected the idea that you deal with the cards you're dealt. If the wall doesn't have sufficient pro for your likings, you walk away and don't leave a mess. I have equal respect for the 5.5 limber and the 5.12 climber, whether or not they choose to do bold lines, and whether or not they get in over their heads now and then. I RESPECT CLIMBERS WHO ATTEMPT TO CLIMB IN GOOD STYLE AT WHATEVER LEVEL, WITHOUT LEAVING A MESS. Now that is fair statement...I guess we disagree on the "leaving a mess" portion though...you won't convince me of the errors of bolting at certain areas and leaving others as traditional...Going to France changed my mind on this...it also redefined what I considered "bold"...there are many many bolted "sport climbs" that are quite "engaging" over there and these lines will demand your respect... I still think its chickenpoop to post as an anonymous person...i'll say what i'm posting to anyones face...

Damn freakin' hook stuck in my lip!!! SHoot...

Back when I was young people who made such statements about the cowardice of others were not afraid to use their real names while doing so. Golden Age indeed. If it weren't for the juvenile language and obscene images of perverted toads one encounters on this site, I could probably post from my workplace using my real name and not feel embarassed about it. So then, how do you feel about incessant Richard Simmons postings, and Sport climbers are gay posting. This is very offensive in a two-fold manner: 1.) you are insinuating that something is wrong w/ being a homosexual, and 2.) you are then using that little "factoid" to then slam sportclimbing You are a hypocrite if you are who i think you are. Your previous postings point to the fact that you can get right down to the level of JayB and others...So don't play that weak card...

Hey...i've managed to hold off on this thread for a WHOLE day...but when he starts that crap about how bold the old were, he's full of it...yeah, there were a few of them, just like there are a few of them now... I started around the same time as he did...and there were just a few really bold climbers then as now...so he's pissing up a pole as far as that whole "back in the day...crap"...

YOGA?? Go to the redmond vw and crank...it'll straighten EVERYTHING out and keep ya limber!!!

That's cuz its all nostalgia (def: Forget everything negative)...they tend to forget they were peeing their pants... Its bullshit posting under an avatar...

Dru...what the hell you bringing up good points for????? Sheesh...

blah blah blah, back in the old days, blah blah blah....we hiked through 35 foot snow drifts uphill both directions to get to our current horror show testpiece 5.8+ with which we proved our manly worth...then we trudged back home (again, uphill) through 50 foot snow drifts w/ our 40lb hexes freezing to our asses...it was traumatic, like combat, and we, the select few, were proud and manly...blah blah blah blah... HAHAHAHA you're an anachronistic (that's probably not even a word, but it fits) joke...

no sympathy when your car gets broken into and its all vamooshed...

I am pretty sure that this holds true for anyone that continues to climb yeah f-in right. it is the shishy thing to do nowadays. why else do you think there are all these kiddos wearing biners on their backpacks that i am so willing to remove for them. 10-finga discount. Stealing's so new skool...

Erik...he will NEVER change his mind...he almost makes it a point to go in reverse...

here we go again!! Hang on for the merry go-round!!!!

ahhh...Peter...that sux!! Come January...YOU ARE CRANKING W/ ME AT THE MUDPILE!!!! ARE WE CLEAR ON THAT???

I always feel damn weird this time of year...don't know exactly how to put it...part of me feels lucky as hell that my generation got out of war for the most part, part of me feels that i can never hope to comprehend the sacrifices that veterans and their family made, and part of me looks at awe at what my dad and uncle did and others did... talking to them, they seem like ordinary folks, but you know it isn't so... My heart goes out to the folks in iraq and their families here...

Whatever?!? We just open the cage, take the trad climber out and make him cook us dinner...then we put him back after he does the dishes... Word, sports climbers don't give a fuck, yo! Smack them crack slackers up and make 'em carry your stick clip is how the DFA posse works it. They start to get fussy, you just give 'em some tape and they keep themselves occupied making tape gloves for the next two hours, an' if they try to leave, you just clip one of their Birkenstocks to the third bolt of Toxic where they'll never get it back. And if they want it back? Hell yeah, they're cookin' you dinner if they want that shit back, 'cause you're gonna have to climb up there an' get it for 'em! Fuckin' A right! ahhh shit...i just sprayed my monitor w/ coffee!!!

F-ing lightweight!!!

Whatever?!? We just open the cage, take the trad climber out and make him cook us dinner...then we put him back after he does the dishes...

rr, sounds like Eli Hattamer. Sorry, man. I take it you're a Spokane boy and went to LC? This news story of the college soccer player brings back memories. Eli's death was especially tragic--probably like Garrett Chase of SVC--because it struck someone young, vital, a friend to many, and one who had hopes and dreams for what would have been a great life. Eli was about to graduate from SPU, and, I understand, was working with friends to clean out an old, dirty warehouse building in Seattle to remodel and live in. Was at least 5 years ago. I didn't know Eli well, but he was a positive person with a funny sense of humor. He loved climbing, including doing big walls. His eagerness to tackle the big and hard on the Captain was impressive. While he grew up here in Spokane, I didn't meet him until down in the Valley. Eli, your spirit lives on. Be careful out there when cleaning up. I think he actually was cleaning some stuff up back home, not in seattle...had just come back from an excellent trip to yosemite and then wham... He was excellent with the junior team and teaching kids and had actually finished a degree in electrical engineering... I miss eli...

"I went to the gym for the first time in over two months after returning from a road trip. It f---ing sucks. I was falling all over the place too, and those holds were hurting. My fingers are sore as hell. I watched in dismay as I got smoked by 17 year old gym rats. Then some kid who's never touched stone in his life told me that I could be pretty good if I just improved my finger strength and then he started to walk away. So I grabbed him and threw him against the wall and I took his f---ing head and I put it on the f---ing floor and said, 'you mutta f---, I've taken 50 foot falls onto tiny tcu's, I got respect in all 5 boro's — sport, trad, big wall, ice, and alpine. My mudda can hold her head high in any crag in this country. Look at me, I got 26 first ascents under my belt and you're going to walk out on me? I walk out on you.' I mean I said, 'yeah, I really need to work on my finger strength'....." — Christian Brooks.

Yeah...screw that surf-nazi my beach crap...