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I thought that DFA married Erik and they moved to Utah, forsaking climbing to "shred da pow" or sumpin' stoopud like that!!!!

If you are using doubles cause of drag issues, your gear will force the issue...ie if your blue rope is running on the right and you had 3 pieces in a row on the right, then you will clip your blue three times in a row... Probably more of an issue on rock in places like the gunks where doubles are standard issue cuz of wandering routes and availability of gear... Big duh...just reread your original post where you said the route doesn't meander...i'd alternate clipping...

Yo greggie...didn't your mom tell you you'll shoot yer eye out???

hahahahaha...

okee dokee... Already talked to tim...sounds like he's goin... Its my b-day present...freaking 35!!! Good god where did the years go????????

actually i've been trying to figure out a way/time to get there in late feb/ early march...

I'm there!

Nope...i don't have the time/energy/initiative to do "cleanup" work and the way i see it, you can't please everyone all of the time... I agree w/ Tony...posting on the web about fixing something is not a good idea...just go do it, and be quiet about it...no need for a ruckus... A good case is the disappearing pin on iron horse, nobody made a stink and no war/fight was initiated...climb up there, its gone, deal w/ it and move on...there's good gear there anyway...on the flip side, the pin was nice to have in place...

I didn't read Tony's post as unnecessarily harsh...i think all he said is feel free to go fix something you don't agree w/...personally, i'm waaaay too lazy to do much of anything other than make a comment or too...

Kurt, the problem w/ this approach is varying levels of comfort while leading regardless of one's actual capabilities... I have several friends that can boulder in the v9 range but are very uncomfortable leading much harder than 10's and that's on sport routes... So how are you going to benchmark "comfort" for respective grades and leaders???

Scott...you rock!!!! Screw this winter crapola... I'm heading to smith this weekend...maybe...

Bob...you need to chill...not everyone has their life revolving around climbing...If 9+ is at your limit this discussion is as valid as whether scarface is 8b or 8b+... Climbing is such a great sport...no matter what your level or athleticism may be, you can find that route out there that is just hard enough to push you, but not shut you down...

Ok Dru...here's what appealed to me if you absolutely must know... The guy is 60 and is still pushing himself in the mountains and climbing...he's had 3 marriages and thinks he's finally found out what works and with whom...he lost a son to drugs and this has really put things in perspective to him...and that he really doesn't want to get killed climbing, but if that's where it happens he seems to be at peace w/ it... It struck a personal chord because my parents are in their mid 60's and i could easily see my dad having a lot of the same viewpoints as this guy does...like i said before, i've never met the guy, don't know him, but my interest was piqued enough to maybe want to meet him and have a conversation...

Man, he's got some sweet views on life/climbing/marriage...and he doesn't take the "golden-age" of which he was a major contributor too seriously... basically came out and called chouinard a curmudgeon...

Unfortunately i think you are right...sux, but who knows? Enough dirt gets out and he might not be able to weasle another close election...

I really don't think it's a logical argument to justify misdeeds by saying they're no worse than other misdeeds. I don't know what common thread you are thinking of for those other Presidents you mentioned, but I don't think any of them invaded another country with less reason than Bush did in Iraq. The fact that he obviously lied to the American people in order to justify the war is repugnant. You could probably make the case that some on your list up there lied to go to war. But if you did, it wouldn't justify Bush's misdeeds. The Vietnam War is probably the best comparison you could make. Do you think Bush is not so bad, because, "heck we attacked Vietnam!" Johnson decided not to run for a second term because of his misdeeds in SE Asia. Nixon was impeached. I'd settle for either of those solutions to the current problem. I would say, "I'd settle for the JFK solution" too, but, of course, I won't, because that would be stupid. By the way, though the Iraq war is my biggest beef with GWB, I also really do not like his economic (tax cuts in times of nearly unprecedented budget deficit) or environmental (speaks for itself) policies. Bush is selling our soldiers, our country's prestige in the world, and our children's and grandchildren's economic and environmental health to the most convenient bidders. He sucks. He should be impreached, but I'll settle for him getting voted out of office.

This is your opinion, don't play it off as fact or common knowledge. I love how you anti-freedom , socialist, big government fucks all say, "All must do this and agree with me 'cause I think so." Fuck all you guys, make up your own political mind and act for yourself. You are funny...real funny...we are losing civil rights left and right (no pun intended) under this administration...

YEah...that was a funny one...Especially when he kept asking the question...its like he knew it wasn't such a great idea, but couldn't quite wrap his feeble mind around why... ...and then he had the gall to say sumpin' to the effect of "well, what about the middle?" I wonder how much Cheney had going down the pipes w/ private companies before this thing got rolling and how much of an influence personal $$$ had to do w/ it... This administration makes even normal politicians look squeaky clean and straight up, if you ask me...

So...how bout the fact that shrubby had a meeting 8 days after being elected about going into Iraq?????? WTF!!!!

Radon...move to colorado and solve washington's problems!!!

Next weekend!!!!!