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Though you would think ltown locals would be spawning mutant crushers, the only kids i've met in town who climb, didn't really start til they were 17 or older. A bit odd. Leavenworth isn't exactly Boulder or Jackson. Most kids there are more likely to be into xstacy and whining than bouldering. fixed it...

Usually its dumb fuckers from out of state. Like you.

yeah...sure , wait till they get a taste of AMERICAN 5.11

E X A C T L Y

That's right...we gotta few, but we suck

Though you would think ltown locals would be spawning mutant crushers, the only kids i've met in town who climb, didn't really start til they were 17 or older. A bit odd. Leavenworth isn't exactly Boulder or Jackson. Most kids there are more likely to be into meth and beercan hunting than bouldering.

kids these days: totally fokked up!

please provide example...i don't see it... please provide example...i don't see it... again provide an example of the underlined...

please provide example...i don't see it...

he'll bring the kmart tent!

i found my head to be a very effective tool though...

Though you would think ltown locals would be spawning mutant crushers, the only kids i've met in town who climb, didn't really start til they were 17 or older. A bit odd. supremely odd.... but when I was there i met Kyle O' Meara and his friend Joel... they were not very old and totally crushing, joel sent the Ram. Which felt pretty hard to me for sure..... There is no doubt that Kyle and Joel are super strong, but they are from seattle, and definetly not highschool age. Besides some very young local kids (ages 4-10), i've just never seen the 12-16 year old local mutants one would expect to see growing up in a climbing town. in my experience, the kids that totally "crush" come at it from a sports mentality (yes, i'm talking gyms and coaches)...kids growing up at a climbing area just don't approach it that way... another key factor is parental support, both the typical support and the $$ factor.... teens...different story because they will be motivated and take advantage of the locale... remember though, if they can't walk/bike to an area, then they are dependent on rides...

laugh it up...at least it was a very soft landing..."snow/sky/snow/sky/snow/sky ok you can quit tumbling now" I will be posting pics of roy's impression of a lawn dart soon enough!

i don't think anyone was arguing, dickhead. why don't you take your "humor" into a private message forum with porter? there you can joke about minorities, women, the developmentally disabled, etc etc to your heart's content, without exposing others to your poor taste.

You think encouraging youth to work for their money instead of waiting for free handouts is negatively adding to the world? Its cause of that that every kid out there refuses to work for their money. You want cams go get a fucking job like every other person out there, its called reality. this has worked for me...

what if that "hard move or two" is a V10 on an otherwise 5.10c? . the hardest move'll dictate the grade of a route only if there is no cumulative fatigue, ie. a V7 boulder crux on a 5.11 with good rests before and after the crux, pretty standard to rate it 5.13a. on the other hand, you can have a 5.14 with nothing harder than V4. well then that would be stupid route setting...wouldn't it?

you sound like you have a bruised (or rather crushed) ego...

I don't understand that because a route is supposed to be graded based on its hardest move, right? So if the crux is 10c and that move gets harder or easier then that changes the grade. Changing easier moves on the route doesn't affect the overall grade. Agreed. And I would extend this same comment to outdoor areas: it doesn't matter whether they are hard or soft as long as they are consistent within a single area. this is not a true statement...

what does ego have to do with this? I think the only one with an ego issue is YOU...

no...its not...actually, knowing the setting crew, they got tired of the constant bitching about underated routes, blah blah blah... so...they've gone the way of Font and did a wider circuit band...pretty hard to argue with a boulder problem being inside of a range rather tan a specific number... Personally, i think its pretty sweet and a good training mechanism... Routes are long enough that a hard move or two within a bunch of moves won't shift the grade more than a letter or two...personally, if up to me, i'd prefer the +, nothing, or - system for routes too... My only request from them (and they've been good about this) is to stay consistent in rating (whatever way they use) month to month and route to route...could care less if they overate or underate, just stay consistent...for benchmark purposes...

ever climb at Font?

I love how cc.com/Dru can manage to absolutely warp just about any thread!

not a sport...

i was thinking about holding out till next june...so, actually, i'm early still!

time for the world's most expensive sport for families to begin again... sheesh...