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sort of grey area. but to me the grounds is where I can walk away and go to the car, go to an out house to pee take my harness off and walk more than say 3 or 4 feet from the wall you know HORIZOTAL no longer on the wall NOT VERTICAL. sure there are GREAT ledges and they rock and are SO COOL on a route YOU TOUGHT ME to milk my rests but when you can walk away from the climb, you are no longer on the wall.

Way to go I may make fun, but I seem to remember having trouble with that one myself. Didn't help my state of mind either when I got to the anchors and found both were spinnin free. I suck and I know no big btw the bolts have been repalced and they are not spinners anymore

I agree with Tex (and others) that the "no downclimbing allowed whatsoever" requirement for an "onsight" or "redpoint" is absurd. By extension of that arguement, any downward motion of your body would constitute a failure on the first attempt. For the record, I think this argument is pretty dumb, but here I am adding to it, so I'm dumb too. A wise man (and founder of this website) once said, "everyone on the internet is stupider for having read this thread". My answers: Yes, Yes, Pink No silly down climbing is allowed, just not standing on the ground. you can down climb to the first move if youwant to just don't step on to the ground

I am heading to Smith on April 17th with Thing1 and Thing2 to do some camping and hopefuly a bit of climbing. hopw to see you all out there

YAY

I so got off route almost criedalmost fell had my bellayer take and rested and climbed down to my last bolt 3 times before I was able to make it over that the big thing here is that I DID, I kept climbing even though I was all sketched out you are right it is a .7, SO HARD though

IMHO climbing is on the wall, when you are on the ground you arn't climbing you are on the ground. That is just how I SEE it. so sure climb down to a killer rest milk it, but when you touch the ground you are 'off bounds'

the what??

hey just 2 weeks ago i was working on my redpoint for Dancer 5.7, oants filling for me I don't have it clean yet can any one say PROJECT??

There is a prestigious climbing organization that rules on similar disputes, a little different, but similar. Maybe we can get them to rule on this? This organization is totally independent and was organized to certify climbs. I seriously think it is an issue that they can handle. Maybe someone here should pose the question to the MSC Organization TOO FUNNY

YAY

BUMP SMITH ROCK MAY 22 who want sot go climin'??

the new thred is the spring rope thingy... the date I am hoping for is May 22

QUICK call the climbingh committee we need governmental body to solve this for us I want to be on the board and I want beer to be served at all meetings

BUMP next weekend folks (April 17th), any one else going to be there?

Most of us are not so fortunate as to be able to afford a "second" junker car. I only have one car but it looks like no one owns it. I don't leave ANYTHING in it but the kids booster seats EVER if I can help it. I used to drive this 1979 mustang ( OH PEICE OF SHIT) I used to leave it unlocked in hopes someone would take it

We couldn't let down all our new fans! Plus John was on a mission that morning! He was packing the tent while I was still sleeping in it! that makes it so hard to get the tent in the stuff sack

Muffy is not so small as she could not anchor herself to something and take yer fall... but I must say the whole beating someone senslesss in a g string thing sounds very entertaining

I will be able to be there if it is the 24th and 25th, but as I don't realy ski much don't decide because of me. Choose you date and the people who can be there will be there. Muffy included

do a little dance

this is a realy good idea

secret climber spy operations COOL

tele, thank you for sharing your mind. that was beyond eliquint, well spoken. thank you. muffy

seems like pretty soon we will have to draw straws to see who stays at the car as an armed gaurd every climbeng party will need a mandatory lookout