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Hey Kurt, i have been in hiding and not around lately. I am so glad to hear you are doing so well. I have been spending a lot of time with my ex boy-friend (not badvoodoo, the one you all don't know) he just had surgery to put his spine back together. he can walk too he too can not wait to get back to skiing. and would like to get back to the mountains and some unfinished business in Alaska. I know i am not up there with you, but i think about you a lot. I can understand your frustration at wanting to get back at climbing and skiing. I don't blame you. however I for one want you on this big round ball as long as possible, so take it easy. the mountains aren't going anywhere any time soon. erosion takes a long ass time, so you take your time and heal. when you are ready to hit it i hope i can count on you for a skiing lesson. there isn't any one else on the world who would have as much fun watching me fall on my ass all day Lotsa luv!! Muffin

A classic backhanded compliment. Here's another. "I really don't like those skinny-as-a-rail chicks. I like girls like you, who have a little meat on them." you may think that is back handed, but to those of us who are actually built and stacked and proud of it, it's just the truth oohhh i snaffled *on the edit, but still

that was quite well said.

ohhh good point. anyone who has joined in the past few days would do good to kick down. It is time for my annual donation as well. i gotta say it again. *rescue people you totally rule *moderators have the hardest job on cc.com *luv to jon and timm@y as always. as with all difficult times, this too shall pass. each of us will take our own lessons from our interactions here. what matters is that when i get up tomorrow i am taking my boys hiking. because i want my boys to know that life is more than a 9 to 5 job and a house on the hill. i read a quote recently that went something like this: "life is not made up of the breaths that we take, it is made up of the moments that take our breath away" the things that we say here will fade into obscurity. there have been many terrible accidents in the 5 (?) or so years i have been posting here. I have sat at my computer and cried my eyes out while i talked with many of these people as their friends and in one case hero passed away(erden (is that how you spell it...) i am thinking of you). we all tried to speculate and figure out why. we read the accident reports we have shared and we are sharing now. THIS is not outside of our lives this is a part of our lives. and if you are new here... look it's part of yours too. this board is run by volunteers and owned by people who work normal jobs. they do this because the had a vision. that people could have a place where we could come and share information about what we are passionate about. good bad or ugly, we are sharing.

point taken and you are correct. i should not give betta about things and places and people i have not done. however i was not specific and i am correct that the name of the easy climb is the hogsback?? yeppers Yocum sounds right. that was one of the best TR's i have read to date! bygones

you my dear have made my whole day. thank you.

Mention it one more time. Perhaps you'll get an answer. what more do they want? i already told them we stole the best parts of WA

TOTALLY!!!!!!!

Muffy... are you OK? There wasn't a single misspelling in that. And well put, if I may chime in. While most of the questions I believe are well meant, the constant what-if scenarios are pointless and probably hurtful to actual family members that wander in here. For them, it probably really doesn't matter. For that reason, I really wish folks would think before engaging their fingers on the keyboard in this thread. Accident threads always get ugly at some point with second guessing, but I've never EVER seen anything like this. The real good information sources left this thread eons ago, so to characterize this site and its normal posters by this thread is a real stretch. What real purpose does this non-stop questioning serve at this point other than to give folks something to talk about around the water cooler? There are no lessons to be learned at this point because the facts aren't know yet. I can't fathom that people need to learn from this RIGHT NOW so they can be properly prepared for their winter adventure next weekend! If you want to learn, then wait until next spring or summer and buy "Accidents In North American Mountaineering" published by the American Alpine Club. Search for it on Amazon... you can buy previous year's copies if you need to learn immediately. Next year there will be a thorough analysis of this whole sorry incident for all to learn from. But for now, why not let the folks doing the invesigating figure out what happened, let the families involved grieve, and use your time wisely by caring about, loving, and spending time with the ones closest to you. That would seem to be an appropriate tribute to these three. why thank you for noticing my improvement *blush* i write every day for a living now and it has forced me to be more aware. well said right back at you!!!

oh and that thought process about a will and a way.... that is what i love about climbers. we all have it to one degree or other. elitist, maybe... but we do what other people call crazy or impossible. we live it.

temper? you think i am mad??? you dont have to be physically able to climb to get there. there have been MANY differently abeled climbers. from blind to quadrapaligic. don't give me any bull shit about not being able to climb. if there is a will there is a way. you just have to be courageous and determined enough to find it. if you are in jail, start training now and you will be hella strong when you get out.

hogsback is pretty easy walk up. no big. you can even take the chair lift part way up. i am not sure if that takes you to the true summit... there are severl ways to get up the mountain. from ho hum easy to the trip that Tex and TG took. someone should dig up that TR, Tex is pretty detailed in his writing. it might help some people understand. If i recall there attempt was the north side. any one have better than spotty memory?

hope they turn up soon.

dear god man, you are brilliant. that must have been just what happend. we should write a book and make a movie and tell everyone just incase that ever happens again.

how did you get a picture of my boyfriend??

not a chance. no one will notice til spring

is it like frog soup? do you boil it alive??? just curious

ya me too. what have they done for us lately??

Timm@y is internet famous. look i said in my last post that you can PM me if you want to continue to be a dick. or we can take it to my home away from home in spray. i am not debating that useful information can be found here. my point is that you can't teach someone about climbing on the internet. if you want to know what Hood looks like get your ass off the couch and start training. if you want to know what a snow cave looks like or what it takes to build one... do it. if you want to climb because you are as passionate about the mountains as the men lost up there right now, then start training and take your own run at it. i intend to. IMHO getting to the bottom of this or as close as can be may save lives. thats why these kinds of stories are published. so we can learn from the mistakes of those who have passed before us. it isn't salacious.we need to know so we can learn and be better prepared. why do you want to know?

Do you really think that the eyes of the nation, which are now upon us, really want to see you compare my member to a traditional Christmas candy, much beloved by children everywhere? If not us, who, then, will protect the children? personally i don't let my kids read anything on the internet. it is a dangerous place. if other people can't keep an eye on their own children, too bad for them.

And gallows humor that target's the climber's faith isn't disrespectul......the timing is just coincidental I suppose Riiiight...and someone from Mississippi or wherever reading about a climbing accident, then going to a climbing website to offer blanket judgments of climbers is just "an inquisitive mind" I suppose? For many anarchist/atheist/7th day agnostic climbers who don't believe in organized religion, the lifestyle of climbing they have constructed with it's juxtaposition of physical and mental challenges and the tight relationships that form with your partners- this is the essence of their lives, just as the churchgoing person's essence is their faith. Then along comes Phil the Phucker and others like him saying in essence "you guys are selfish and your lives are stupid and reckless". And sending PM's with porn links. Etc. Whatever, laugh it off. It's the internet. Grow some skin. Be Hard to Kill. well said

cheers love

did you know oregon readjusted our boarders to include all of washington up to Index and including 11worth hoooorraayyyy for me

Ok, so to clarify, everybody with their helicopter operations intermediate can keep posting, everybody else is out of luck? Evidently not. I came here yesterday to get insight on this from people who climb regularly, and have seen more hostility toward us bottom-dwelling non-climbers than I ever expected. The elitist attitude toward the newbies here has wasted a really good opportunity for the climbing community to prove all the nay-sayers wrong about the sport and those who love it. quick to judge aren't you? why not join a news group to pass around half truths and gossip? this is a CLIMBERS BOARD this is not a news group. if you are interested in learning to actually climb or if you want to actually know about our sport i would be more than happy to teach you. many of the people who post here are well known climbers and authors and personalities. many of us know each other climb together hang out together and trust each other to share valuable information about life and death situations. again, I am a great teacher (of cragging let me say it again i have not climbed a mountain yet) i have taught a few climbers who have far surpassed me no in skill and strength.this is our home, and the men and women who are up there searching and the man we lost and the ones they are still searching for are OUR extended family, just because they climb. i am sorry if you do not understand. if you want to discuss this more i would be more than happy to do so in PM.

i think mikey layton or bob might be able to shed some light on this. i roll my anckle all the time in essence it is week and i sprain it a lot not seriously, but because i do this often the tendons are lose. it hurts but not to bad and i can tape it and keep moving. if i roll the other one, it is a whole different story. the tendons there are not lose. and in my humble oppinion running arround on a flat field or court with some shoulder pain is one thing trying to climb a mountain in piss pour weather with a fresh injury... where you have to swing an ax or self arrest at any moment trying to carry a pack that is AT LEAST 30 lbs... whole different story buddy.