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All these gov't programs are flawed and always will be. When broke, they are propped up by the taxpayers, no matter the cost. A business would never survive this way, but a gov't agency, of course, always does. social security would not have been broke if it hadn't been robbed (or if a couple extra assholes in florida coulda voted for somebody other than the governor's brother )

i'll take the lasagna! +1 hey, you're not allowed to agree w/ me! lasagna, in this case for me, is the hybrid option of both public and private health care.

on the other hand though, thanks for giving me my political cartoon of the day to start my class off w/ tomorrow! medicare and medicaid would work if they were funded, right? senior citizens aren't rioting in the walkers in the street b/c the service sucks. social security is broke b/c a long line of presidents n' congress stole from it to fund their needs at the time the post office is broke b/c only advertisers use it and the rest use this radical new thing called email amtrak is broke b/c no one rides trains fannie mae and freddie mac were part of the giant housing bubble, so that's why they went broke the 1.6 t budget deficit is thoroughly fucked and should, as prole's pie chart shows, be principally addressed by dramatically reducing hte size of the american military empire

i'll take the lasagna!

who's the question for and what ledge? mike cleaned all the re-growth on our "takes a village" route off the land of the little people - it goes just fine and clean now w/o the fixed pins that larry had originaly put in then taken out - mike even avoided the hook move i always used

any ascent done in retard conditions, both internally and externally - you can qualify if you wish

you should link those first 2 pitches to the bluebird anchor, esse - just bring plenty of big gear, as the first time i did it i found meself essentially free-soloing the second pitch looking forward to doing this route this very warmish afternoon!

nice kenny - i enjoyed dropping in on ya'll on a goddamned dampish saturday morning!

great pics bill - so is that local access he's on or richard? i usually end up doing the dark dihedral right of him in the pic as the best pro leads you thataways and there is a pin just out of the pic on the lower right - i was assuming that was richard, but maybe it's just not in the book? mike led that the day after chris btw and removed all those offensive plants

if you use uranium hangers it can be retroly-radioactive richard

i thought we were supposed to wait till febuary for the beacon rock bitch-athon? fuck, this shit is getting as bad as fund raising time for npr kenny, have can you be so anti-acronym when FUBAR is a perfect description for the sit'iation?

drill, baby, drill!

i'm ambivalent on adding pro to get up to the anchors for ft/bss/fc - as it stands you can get up there fine, but it's completly out of the quesiton when wet/damp - luckily yday ben n' compnay had rapped in from big ledge and i got a rope thrown down to jug up im actually pretty clueless as to what routes what in that neck of the woods - there are 2 pretty clean lines, one w/ a bolt, one w/ a pin, both are challenging butnot lethal - i don't think adding fixed gear would much add traffic to the above routes - what i'd like is a bolt ladder so i can get up to that anchor in the fall/winter when its sliimy so i can wail on the dozen fantastic aid pitches that branch off from it!

"some people should die, that's just unconscious knowledge" - perry farrell

tron?

i like to think i'm keeping above the fray i got pix n' prose for a buncha trips i done did lately but drinking whiskey n' smoking black tar heroin has been keeping me down

sweet - i remember that day well - congrats

lemme guess, you were belaying him at the time? where is this anyhow, touloumne?

they seem to prefer turning my back yard into a swamp, made of equal parts mud, hose-water, decaying tomatoes and miscellenous debris - the fouler it smells, the better the "witches potion" is

not true - they also work great in potato guns

sounds like the kinda reasoning i use to explain to my little kids why they need to stay the fuck out of other folks' yards w/o they know them

limbaugh is god to fundementalist whackjobs, who are intellectually incapable of comprehending satire b/c they take everythign literally

no doubt - most communities can get schools within a few miles of their students though - my district recently went round and round w/ parents over the busing issue - we could have solved all our budget issues by simply making everyone w/n a mile walk to school, but parents were up in arms about how cruel and dangerous that would be, so the school board caved...

i'm unsure what you want kk - do you want gov out of the education business entirely? i don't know who on earth can guarentee you a damn thing - schools can guarentee you that if your kid gets whopped on the bus that the offender will be punished though, is that not enough?

No. I biked to school. If our kids are on public school buses they should be guaranteed to be safe. all the bus drivers i had were meth heads or psycho-christains who read the bible w/ one hand while sucking down vodka w/ the other surviving the cheese is a rite of passage, and a stern admonition to all youngsters to join the great american race of car owners i'd be happy to get rid of buses and force all kids to bike/ride to school - the expense and hassle of busing constitutes a major drain on expenses and constrains flexibility in scheduling, plus all the phatties could use the excercise