ivan

there's a surprise at any rate, as i said a few posts back - that is the basic philosophic difference that stands at the root of the debate, and upon which there's little room for compromise.

Ivan what do oyu mean by this and why is it important? i'd be quick to point out again i had shit grades in econ, and only 2 classes in it at that - i did actually like macro-economics, which this thread seems to concern more at the moment? my primitive understanding is, for folks to be happy in our economy, that money must keep pumping around, not unlike blood through a body, and that when money collects in the hands of a few, it tends to get put into various forms of savings, many of which won't have the effect of pumping the money back into the lowerclasses hands, and can even have the lovely effect of fueling speculation bubbles that bust the overall economy, causing disproportional suffering to the poor

sure - i'm aware an economy is a very large, complex thing - i also know that rich folks are just as likely to park their huge fortunes in savings for generations on end - the spice must flow, baron! use it or lose it?

very possible as my econ 101 class met at 730, a cruel hour for so dry a subject fo'sure equal outcomes i don't expect - sure, ceo guy is gonna live a much fatter lifestyle, and who am i to say he's doesn't deserve it? just saying that i don't have a problem w/ The Man taking his 5th extra porsche and paying a government street sweeper a living wage w/ it. not equal outcomes, beyond both dudes having enough to be happy. i realize this makes me a communist - i look awesome in mao-suits - who doesn't?

indeed, but if government exists to level the playing field, to re-distribute wealth so that all live in relative prosperity, taxing the ceo then hiring & overpaying some ticket-taker w/ the ceo's tax money doesn't seem so outlandish of course, i suspect a basic disagreement exists over wether government should in fact be doing the redistribution, and of course anyhow who thinks it shouldn't will of course want tax cuts for the rich and public unions to be shit-canned.

an angry aztec god might suffice as well, or is that the same sorta waiting-for-jesus-to-bring-the-porkchops kinda thing?

I suppose you could look at student achievement as one metric. My guess is that an inverse correlation exists. i'm sure jay would love to lend a hand and crunch what metrics exist to compare the 3 states i listed - your guess is just that, a guess - firsthand, i know that its damn easy to game a metric, and practically anybody can show progress so long as they're not total retards - but does what you're measuring even make sense? and how exactly? my last year in va i got 100% of my kids (who were 100% free and reduced lunch) to pass a state test where the passing grade was something like a 35% for a 4 question multi-choice format! i was hailed as a genius but fled the state for the promised land anyhow but seriously, tell me what meaningful analysis springs from that? how does that make for hallowed macroeconomic/political digestion? the reality of education is much more complicated and silly

where's the cord-man? rock on!!!

i've lived and taught in two states, one w/ a very strong teachers union (wa), two w/o (va & nc) - not sure as how either system shows the other up - no signficant difference between the two that i've seen as a worker, or a taxpayer

too drunk too post you know yer a bird when you can't spell yer own name right!

you're born for off-widths - just don't fall!

too long a drive and international borders and i have lately not gone so well together

i'm konfused - how did 3 comments end up before the original tr? goddammmmmmmmit! another december exactly as i desribed and the same bullshit, and this time my plan to go to zion is thwarted by a closure of hte whole fucking utardian park?!?

yeah, that's bears - if doing p2 of the dutchman i think it's best to climb about 20 feet or so of bears in order to skip a therefore highly contrived bit of very thin aid - other than that, the first part of the pitch is the crux, small nuts as i recall and nothing wierder than that - there are a few fixed pins, and the 2nd half is cruiser c1

so.....how'd it go?

make me a chicken pot pie now beyotch!

come on! all that sitting 'round in the dampn n' cold and steve don't get have his run on p2! it's a good one too, emphasis on tiny nuts for the start and take a bunch of hand sized shit for where you can zoom up bears instead of doing c2 bullshit 3 feet next to it

pouring rain 'round here currently

it is nice to see that the "saluting n' saying yessir!" thang has it limitations, since blowing up brown people historically aint' been one of them

boooooth pitches?

justinp on p2 of stone soup, beacon rock's first complete ascent (along w/ midnight rager on the swiss family ledges )

yup - you got it all figured out - brilliant!

afghanistan became our longest war as of june

um...no? nice "fuzzy math" though. who cares anyhow? water under the bridge - it's done and we can move on to arguing about hte next stupid issue.

man, you gave up the non-stop gray and gloom of the northwest for this?!?