Bug

Was it a date climb?

Just struck me as an interesting comment, because I have heard it before...'youre female so you shouldnt have any problem'. In my experience Ive been more limited at times because of being female. I dunno, it probly all equals out in some wierd kind of way in the long run. -c Hmm. Maybe it's a skewed perspective on my part. But the examples of male climbers' behaviors on this board seem typical of what I have witnessed at many popular climbing spots. Another male climber shows up and nobody looks twice. A female climber shows up and everybody gathers around and starts sniffin. I do not intend this to be any more crude than the reality I have witnessed. For example, you Carolyn are rumoured to be cute ( I married-not fishing or sniffin). Now why would anyone bring that up? I sure don't know how any of the males on this board rate. Nobody talks about that. Anyway, this is getting into spray. Just wander into a group of climbers and let them know that you are looking for a climbing partner and I think you would have better luck than I do and it usually works well for me. My guess, and that is all it is, is that you are reading men wrong. A friend of mine (male) was working out at a gym and he noticed three guys walking by looking at him like he was some kind of asshole. Then he realized they were looking past him at a gorgeous girl on the machine next to him. It seems males may look like they are hunting when they should be looking more approachable.

Sorry to be so anal but I am tightly scheduled. What time might this event begin. I mean, actual slides and climbers present? I need to arrange babysitting.

Tingggg. JayB gets a bingo.

I have always packed as tho I were going to be soloing or doing all the leading. I have always gotten in lots of climbing that way. This includes multiple trips to JT, Re Rocks, Mt Lemmon, etc. There will always be a day or two where nobody steps up (well I'm not female) and I still want to climb.

Yo Trask, Dwayner and Chirp and anyone else out there who are shaken by the heavy handed moderating on the cc board, why don't you just go start your own site. You can verbally trash anyone you want and not worry about being moderated. It would be interesting to see how much interest the general public would have in your opinions and tactics. I for one would check in occaisionally but would probably not subject myself to a steady diet of the stuff.

Hopefully conditions will not create a huge complex. That is a possibility. But if the rains come before the fire gets too big, it could be a good thing. Fire has been supressed for decades as something evil but it is a natural part of a forest cycle. If it does not burn a huge area, it will serve as a detterent to a huge fire in that area in the future and could actually be beneficial to our uses in the long run. I am crossing my fingers the rain or cool weather will come back soon.

Lizard (formerly Aries?)at Index. I remember cruising that route long ago. Then I had kids, desk job, blah,whine, hem, haw,,,,,,, I thrashed on the fist section, and backed off the thin fingers. Seconding it was like a cake walk. Ohhh I have so much to relearn.

You are all fools to think this is a "Democrat" or a "Republican" issue. The issue is that Americans do not care enough to do their own research and vote accordingly. Or even vote. If they did, we would not have half the half-wits we now have on both sides of the aisles. Which one was more dispicible, Bush or Clinton? SHit you fools, we have been sold down the river by all of them. They are counting on us bickering over their CONSTRUCTED press barrages and not one of them can be counted on to tell the truth about ANYTHING. Think about what you would have to say and do to get the Presidential Nomination of either party. Most of us would get arrested. It is time to stand together and clean out Washington and Olympia for that matter. The only difference between thte Democrats and the Republicans these days is which corporations are spend the most money on them. The only stuff that is worth reading are the boring details that do not sell. You will not find those in the modern press. There have been no great presidents in modern times. Only media moguls. History will bear this out as we look back at the errosion of our constituional rights under both parties leadership. It will be through boards like these that a revolution will take place. Flame on.

In 1977 I was building grain bins in eastern Montana with a friend and one of my brothers. We had just finished one 8-8 and were 3/4 done with a second 8-8 when we looked out over the prairie and saw a huge storm headed our way. We figured we had about 1 hour before it hit. We scrambled around the bin setting stakes with rebar about six feet deep. After we had about a dozen 600 psi wires strung back and forth we tied my 9m climbing rope to the anchor of an adjoining bin and strung it over the bin and down to our 28K gross truck loaded with steel panels. We stretched the rop out and got out to watch. The first gust from the storm was about 35mph. It lifted the bin up about four feet in the air with the 600psi wires snapping and pinging and zinging all over the place. After all those had given way, the 9m rope stretched to it's max and finally snapped at a bend in the bin. The bin raised anothe four feet and smashed into the bin behind it. We salvaged about half of each and made one bin. The 9m rope was confiscated by the Missoula police department during a protest of oil and gas drilling leases in the Bob Marshall wilderness. It had been strung over Broadway to support a large tree hugger banner.

Did this work??? OK how about expanding the pic then hit properties and pick up the URL?

Did this work???

I did that, but when I posted it it came up with all the url code and there was no image displayed. Craig Yeah. Me too. So I was told to add the name of the image to the end of the url. Can't find the name of the string on this board. I rename them from mine because mine are all "image 009" or whatever. I should have lept a list.

....even without bivy gear our packs seemed too heavy......

I resent that blatent attack. I am a liberal and I enjoyed Trask's input. I would like to add some disclaimers but it would just be no fun without Trask here to defend himself. Meanwhile, you are a weak substitute. bug - I have trask's proxy to speak for him. fire away my liberal brother. I could make some comments about the University of Stihl and Kenworth College having granted you honorary PHD's but the point is I disagree with most of your stances. I am a liberal in many ways. But your gut-shoot em mentality makes me howl.

anecdotal evidence is irrelevant. especially when presented by sensationalistic media and conservative gun totters in need of being reassured because they have an irrational fear of death (or fear of everything different). nothing short of statistics will do. here ya go press i am afraid this is not a fishing expedition (or at least i am not doing the fishing). you'll have to find the statistics supporting "being attacked by black kids on the streets of Seattle (plenty of those around)". until you do so convincingly (since you appear to take up greg's gig), i'll consider it as irrational fear mongering. Go for a nice little walky poo in the Central District this Saturday night about midnight. I'll provide a statistic the next day.

I resent that blatent attack. I am a liberal and I enjoyed Trask's input. I would like to add some disclaimers but it would just be no fun without Trask here to defend himself. Meanwhile, you are a weak substitute.

If it's really a possum you can teach him how to play the banjo. If he won't do it, he's a nutria. Which one do you have?

A man of steel who has not bathed in years?

Yes yes, I know , you are a visual kind of guy. That is a really cool shot of a mountain and I would hate to be deprived of pics like that. But I'm talking about the people who climb them and their idiosyncrasies. Take you for instance, Dru the enigma. Great pics, bountiful posts and rumours of exploits in the mountains. How would a picture capture your dubious intrigue?

My main interest is in the stories. Photos are nice too but they usually don't convey the flavor of an outing.

I reverse stack two stoppers for expansion and the move goes at 5.8. Why did I bring all these heavy pins? Alberto is getting restless.........

Borrowed these from Syjakowski. ROTO WALL (5.3-5.8) Mad Meadows PLAYGROUND POINT/ARNICA GLEN (5.4- 5.9) X/Y Cracks (5.5 -5.10) LARGE slabby boulders to the right (east) of Alphabet rock/z-crack- tr'able (mounties set up here) Large boulder uproad (west) from Bolt rock- couple tr's MOUNTIES DOME

An old friend of mine got dinged on rappel on the north face of the Grand. No knot at the end of the rope. A rock hit his head and he bounced two thousand feet. I thought about that this weekend when we were rappelling off the base of the gendarme on the NR of Stuart. Little rocks were whizzing by now and then. I tied a knot for myself and clipped the rope in for Greg. Maybe someday, remembering Marvin's fall will help prevent another accident. Careful out there guys and gals. My condolences to the family and friends.

Good plan. There are lots of times I would pop out for a climb on a whim. Check your PM's.