icegirl

I saw a team of mounties using those on the tooth a few years back. They seemed to make things worse, then again, it could have just been who was using them... The girl kept taking her hand of the belay to use it, and they guy kept using to tell her to put her hand back on the rope... the ones they had were not at clear as they could have been, so there was a lot of "What?" "slack" "what" "slack!" "what?!" "Take damnit!" Of course we could hear both sides of the conversation because they were, in reality, within earshot, and not a breath of wind. Then the gal dropped one, amazing how many little bits it can break into... Ah. silence... Not sure how well they would work in the alpine environ. Cold (batteries), wet (electronic), icy (slippery), big mittens (small buttons), etc... If they were made for underwater use, that would be another story climbing with a trustworthy known partner, knowing your "through the rope signals", AND being telepathic seems like the way to go [ 08-15-2002, 12:44 PM: Message edited by: icegirl ]

anyone know how he's doing? My thoughts go out to he and his family...

Hey, I thought I was the only geek using my ice gear on the boulders. Makes it easy to find holds when you are scraping the moss off... Of course when the gang gets their hands on that "hold" they think you are nuts... Ape index, and strong pointy hold-gripping monopoint at the end of your arm... Gotta love it. they sell those little toothbrushie things at the pet store too... probably cheaper [ 08-15-2002, 03:17 PM: Message edited by: icegirl ]

sic 'em sic 'em!

reminds me of another scuba diving thing... http://www.divelink.net/ A large part of why I dive is the solitude factor. Same kind of thing for climbing... Hands free headsets a the sporto crag.. I can hear it now... "Man, where's the next hold?" "just to your right, a little more, a little more, that's right, you got it?" "thanks dude!" "think this counts as a redpoint?"

self portrait?

How much does a helicopter ride down from a mountain cost? (or an all out search rescue for that matter?) Just curious.

This reminds me of something that hit the news a few weeks ago about Harborview. Did anyone see the blurb on the little golf cart they have outfitted to run from the helipad to the ER? Supposed to help curtail some of the ever increasing healthcare costs? Well, got into a converstion at work with a girl who was airlifted to HMC after a near fatal car accident. her insurance paid for the helicopter and almost all of her hospital bills, but not the $500 ambulance fee from the helipad to the ER (just around the corner of the hospital, like 75-100yds?) Supposedly the golf cart will only cost $5 (not including staffing and such). How do ya like them apples...

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I guess in the case I was involved in (not my dive boat, but another group lost a diver - he was blown off a shipwreck and floating around in the strait of juan de fuca) , the divers were found negligent, and the coast guard was annoyed. It was not a SAR issue. It was a scramble directly from the coast guard base. I think the persons diving insurance covered the bill.

interesting artical regarding rescue costs and such on Denali, and how the park could have recouped money if all american climbers on the mountain had AAC insurance. http://www.americanalpineclub.org/policy/DenaliRescueStudyOfficialResponse032001.htm another good link... http://www.americanalpineclub.org/policy/RescueCostRecoveryTimetable.htm [ 08-13-2002, 02:05 PM: Message edited by: icegirl ]

Kind of reminds me of Divers Alert Network and their insurance, they pay A LOT more for diving accidents and such... Check this out... http://www.diversalertnetwork.org/membership/benefits.asp http://www.diversalertnetwork.org/insurance/compare.asp I only bring this up because the coveage difference. $29 buck a year gets you $100,000 evac. assistance when you travel 50 miles from home. And if you buy the standard plan ($25) you get like $45,000 medical coverage (which is good, 'cause normal insurance tends to balks at paying for things like chamber rides due to getting yourself bent . If my memory serves me correctly, it costs something like $30,000 to scramble a coast guard rescue helicopter from the station in Port Angles for a search. Who knows if those numbers are correct, as it was a long time ago. I seem to remember something about them sending bills to the rescued parties, also. I know, off the subject, and only sort of applicable, but an evac is an evac.

Speaking of Def Leppard... Didn't they just have a new album come out? X or something like that? DFA, I hear ya... No Frank Black...

yeah, but only the easy stuff... imagine if he got really good, then how incorrigible would he be... Oh wait... you already said it... trask=twight

spray wouldn't be the same w/out him...

Now THAT'S a climbing helmet

Ah, yes, another thread touched by the 80's....

Nothing like looking up and seeing the rope unclip itself from the quickdraw/ice screw above you to make you start looking into the gate lash issue...

more instant graemlins! more instant graemlins...

Sorry, couldn't resist surprised I beat trask to that punchline [ 08-09-2002, 01:41 PM: Message edited by: icegirl ]

heh heh... or "laugh your ass off" literally as well as figuratively

sk, it's the cc.com diet plan... Think we can sell it on a late night infomercial?

Doin' time... heh heh... so that's what it's called What's your excuse DFA?

this is starting to remind me of 4th grade, when we would insult our desk neighbor by typing: 55378008 on the calculator and showing it to her upsidedown...

I think I know that bunch of computo-geeks... all this geek speak is making my head hurt.