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if you are trying out Superfeet, try a bunch of different sizes, not just the ones that are "your" size. I ended up getting the best support and comfort out of a pair of size 9Mens trimmed down to fit my size 5M ski boots.

Penny Lane requires a gear belay, it is one of the few that does. Med to Large stoppers, various sizes of cams all work. There are options. Traverse left 25' on the top slab to the rap chains. 2 raps on a single to the ground. Neat and Cool cliff may have more options in your range, slightly less sunny, more bolted top anchors.

well, if you think you might have herniated or slipped a disk then you should probably see a medical professional. If you never do these lifts except every few weeks when Coach says go heavy then it's not surprising if you wreck yourself on them. Injurious shearing forces at the knee joint and lower back might come as a consequence of loss of engagement of posterior musculature (Glutes and Hamstrings). Not having seen you perform the lifts I can't say whether your form is good or not ... but if you are wrecking your body, then your form is perhaps not as good as it ought to be for lifting those weights. And your "strength" in these areas is not real if a test of it is followed by days of crippling pain, so you aren't losing anything. IMO fitness and strength are lifetime goals, 2 weeks rest dropping my 1RM by 15% doesn't mean a hell of a lot if it is the difference between independence and mobility for the rest of my life versus the wheelchair and nursing home. I have more thoughts, but perhaps I will leave it at that ... I hope your pain is just a temporary post-workout thing and you feel better soon

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are you one of those people who only squats to parallel? What's heavy? like 1RM-heavy-cannot-possibly-move-more-than-this, or heavy multiple reps? how often do you lift the "Big Weight"? What's wrong with complete rest?

Are any of those ice routes that are way to far away for me to ever get out there to climb anyways forming up this year? Any pretty pictures to fuel my disappointment?

can someone (mod/admin) go add some line breaks between Trogdor's pictures so this thread is not a horizontal scrollfest????

I followed their measurement guidelines and was generous with the sleeve length, and when I got it the sleeves were 2" short of my needs. I sent it back, they fixed it per their right-fit guarantee. I think it is good value in a softshell jacket if you are a build that does not fit the typical ready-to-wear shapes and sizes. It is not my ideal jacket in terms of small details, but so far I have been happy with it and I like it better than what I could have bought for the same price at MEC (eg. the Hijinx softshell jacket)

I just got a Beyond Fleece softshell hoody. It is nice, but has several features that indicate to me it was not designed by a climber. I had to return mine to get the sleeves lengthened, because when I raised my arms up they pulled about 2" down my wrists (despite adding some extra length to the measurements I provided them), even with the extra length now, they are 'just' long enough, and there is still a bit of 'stretchy' type resistance when I reach up to make a high swing with my ice tools. The front handwarmer pockets are situated such that my harness blocks them. And there are barrel locks sewn into the bottom hem on either side - which are going to be painful and probably wear holes in the fabric if I do any climbing where I scum my hip against the wall, or fall over on ice or whatever.

The couple that tried for Hell Creek got turned around at the first rock pools, and went to Marble instead. Rambles Left lower is very thin. Use your rock picks, and watch for dinner plates at the top of the rolls (I popped both tools and fell 15 feet into a snowbank ). We went up the left line mixed gully thing which was good, but also thin. There is lots of ice in the Upper Right cirque, at least on the wall - the rock slab 'floor' is just thin snow and kinda sketchy to approach. The Column is in well, though aerated at the bottom, and dry yesterday, Not the Ben looked like a recipe for blunt picks. White Room is thin icicles and drools which looked fun. The Curtain wasn't touching down but was wet and forming still. The Dihedral has lots of ice from the corner extending way out right across the slab, though some looked like snow-included crap down low. The very top of the Dihedral was blue and wet. The Tube is not continuous ice to the top, it has melted back to rock and detached. Storm Brewing and Mumu Man have the most ice I have seen since the FAs but Small Creep is a gushing stream ??? ... it is a weird season for sure.

1) the ROM in the shoulder of a kipping pullup is actually greater than a static pullup, due to the extension of the shoulder as you swing forward. 2) it requires more coordination, and involves more muscles to be activated. Neurologically it is more challenging. 3) you can do more reps in less time = more power output. Which essentially means you can get a "cardio" workout from an upper-body dominated movement pattern. Doing high rep sets of kipping pu's is akin to sprinting. 4) at the bottom of the movement, due to the swinging motion, the force on your hands is actually slightly more than body-weight, so it trains your grip more than a static pullup. it's not a replacement for static pullups, it's a different exercise.

caught on film yo ... someone is slipping in keeping spray up to date with the IMPORTANT news ....

it's a family activity kipping tutorial so many fun ways to do pullups

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I asked Greg Glassman (the crossfit guy) about his experience with training of paraplegics. He seemed to think that without engaging the lower extremities and torso you are pretty inhibited in how much cardiovascular respiratory stress you can put on your body, and the training becomes limited by local muscular stamina. I.e. your arms will tire out before your lungs and heart get a pounding. I would expect this is particularly true if your CVR endurance is already well conditioned from your activities with full body function and your disability is a temporary one.

I think this is a key point to Sleazy's post:

what makes you think it was the pullups and not the bike ride that did it? there's been lots of good info in the fitness forum on shoulder problems, numbness, compartment syndrome. Bike riding postures exacerbating shoulder problems related to tight pectorals. Maybe Mike Layton will jump in with better details than I can. 'Maintaining' range of motion isn't going to help much in the long term if your current range of motion sucks. In my experience one of the best exercises I have found that combines a quality pec/chest/anterior shoulder stretch with a posterior shoulder/lats/biceps etc. 'resistance' movement is a gymnastic 'kipping' pullup.

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looks just like what Rambles Center looked like yesterday - only 400km more driving away.

Jackass was actually kinda brittle was that your rig with the sea kayak? that's Chris's car. My truck was in east van leaking a puddle of power-steering fluid all day looked like all the best ice was on the other side of the river as usual. Next cold snap in the canyon I am bringing a boat.

Green Canyon, good pie but no ambiance.

Chris's gear is all shitty and broken, both crampons popping off, both tools breaking, blunt screws. But he put the rope up the Happy Boy curtain and bought me pie later. So I will climb with him again sometime. The first pitch of Jackass was fun, brittle blobby cauliflowers and ice daggers hanging overhead, then a short squeeze chimney with no room to swing crampons or tools. Top pitch was just the wrong side of stable-looking. There was a climbable line, but it thinned down to only about 1 foot thick around the gushing hole at 2/3rd height. One day earlier it would have been fine.