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Right Scott, I guess that physical influence come from the Quasimodo side of the family. This presidentin' is hard work!

I remember seeing one shortly after the debate, but I can't locate it. Here is a pic of Bush from "the ranch", you'll notice a similar protrusion on his back. Looks like kevlar or something. Or maybe he's wearing a back-brace...that might explain why he skipped his physical this year and why he was slumping over at the podium.

Largest deficit in history, dude. Huge trade gap with China + Chinese mass purchase of US debt + non-floating Chinese currency = retreat of the dollar The 51st state is just a peripheral beneficiary, but as usual, not a player of influence or significance End of discussion.

You cats sound alot like the Drudge bunch after the debate: Kerry pulled something from his pocket!! OMG!! What was it? Well, I think it's fairly obvious at this point. The round cylindrical object Kerry pulled from his suit jacket was clearly a... BIG 'OL CAN OF WHOOP-ASS. This conspiracy shit is funny. Although it is fairly widespread knowledge that Bush sometimes uses earpieces during speeches, he wouldn't try to cheat in the debate. Getting caught would guarantee defeat, it would be a Watergate moment. And besides, if you search out a shot of Kerry's back from the debate, he had the same box shaped lump on his back. Probably a mic batt pack (usually worn on a belt, but that would pull down your pants slightly and be unacceptable to pres candidates standing up) Bush does occasionally use an earpiece though. There is some scanner intercept from a thing he did w/ Chirac where they picked up someone reading his lines before he said them.

Paul, Lance_Granite is the one you want to PM, he's the Vegas resident cc.comer. The popular sporto areas are all really close to the road and involve minimal to zero elevation gain. Most are a ten minute walk, if that. The first and second pullouts on the loop road both have plenty of routes to fit your agenda. Calico Basin does as well, and is probably a little easier to find things. I don't think a guide is necessary at all if you have a guidebook and figure out where you want to go ahead of time. Someone mentioned the Black corridor, which is a crag at one of the pullouts. It's got fun stuff, but it's often 20 degrees colder in there than on the adjacent crags that get sun (literally a 2 minute walk away). I've not seen the Falcon guide, there are 3 or 4 RR guidebooks out there, but I can say I haven't been overly impressed with the Swain guide FWIW. I think it's often confusing. Oh yeah, congratulations!

Only if you're buying Cracked...oh wait a minute, not old enough to buy are ya? Old enough to get drafted though, funny how that works.

c'mon now Chuck, I've read the transcripts. As if everyone didn't know what Iffil was getting at? I can't really picture ol Gwen saying "So Mr. Vice President, everyone in the country now thinks you're a hypocrite for supporting this constituional amendment banning gay marriage when in fact your own flesh and blood, your daughter Mary, is a carpet muncher, who incidentally is in the audience tonight with her butch lesbian partner, Ms. Poe. How do you respond to that Mr. Vice President?"

Chuck, On the gay daughter issue: Edwards did not raise that issue, the MODERATOR asked that question. So would Cheney have punched Gwen Iffil? Probably so, the evil bastard, but the exertion would probably cause his stent to collapse or his pacemaker to shock him like cattle prod.

C'mon dude, maybe you need more examples: 1. Tim Russert confirmed today that they met backstage at his show, "met, shook hands, and exchanged pleasantries". 2. Cheney met him again at the swearing in of new Senators when new NC Senator Liz Dole was sworn in. There is footage of this as well. Cheney's strategy was to tell so many lies that Edwards couldn't possibly refute them all...and it worked. Cheney used the line "Now, in my capacity as vice president, I am the president of Senate, the presiding officer. I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're in session." BULLSHIT! Complete bullshit. I looked at the presiding officer list for the Tues Senate sessions since B/C took office. And how many did Cheny preside over? In 2001 - NONE (although ironically enough, Edwards presided on one of those dates) In 2002 - Once In 2003 - Once In 2004 - NONE The only Tues Senate sessions he presided over in this entire term was 11/12/02, and 1/07/03. Fucker can sit there an lie and everyone just takes good 'ol Uncle Dick at his word. The American people got served. Edited: I missed one, 1/7/03...a shocking ommission of 50% since he only presided over two sessions.

Chipping, retrobolting, bolts next to cracks, and bolted-on gym holds are now, and have always been, unacceptable. There are obvious exceptions in the retro and bolts next to cracks categories. The instances at Dishman are not among them. Understanding works both ways, and from the interactions I've seen on this specific matter, the parties reposnsible for the retro/chip jobs do not understand or are not willing to concede that these practices are unacceptable to 90 plus percent of the climbing community, and more importantly not acceptable to the land manager. The arguments have been heard and they are this: 1. It's too inconvenient to take a couple of pieces of gear to pro a crack, we want to just carry some draws for afterwork clippin. 2. Nobody could climb the route without this (fill in the blank: chipped hold, gym hold). Convenience and laziness is not an excuse to flaunt the wishes of the land manager and the majority of the user group. What is physically possible is not for those unable to accomplish something to determine. It is impossible for me to run a 4 minute mile, does that make it impossible for everyone else? Should we shorten the track so I can run it in 4? I have seen plenty of "impossible" boulder problems sit idle for a decade only to be unlocked by a 17 yr old mutant. What purpose does a bolt you can clip two moves off the ground serve? Your ridiculous incantations of Bush and the religious right are not helping your argument. In fact, they are revealing you to be a disingenuous ranter. Good day.

All things considered, I thought Cheney eeked out a slight victory to the avg voter. If you didn't know the background behind the bullshit he was pushing, he would have sounded like the winner. I didn't watch it though, I listened on radio, so I don't know how the visuals played in. The REAL winner of this was Gwen Iffil with the bitch slap she put on Dick after the 30 seconds comment "well that's all you got". Shazam! But Gwen did botch some of the mechanicals of the thing so she's a loser too. I declare the winner to be all the stupid ass pundits who get paid to spout bullshit on tv shows after politcal events such as this.

Hey Cracked, better get that selective service registration in pal, four more years of these clowns and it'll be PFC Cracked in about 2006.

Dick Cheney: "I'd never met you until tonight" That's funny Dick..... Cheney is a more capable and competent man, but his policies are so fucked up he's evil incarnate. I'll give him this: He can lie through his teeth and sound calm and convincing. The guy sat there and told the bald faced LIE that he's not been making speeches tying Iraq to 9/11. And remember, vote for them or we're all GONNA DIE!!!

Best IPA on the planet. Maybe TG can give you a contact for his distributor up there and they can turn you onto the pubs carrying it.

Gotcha. I think an important factor is that the end loops are not stiched the same way the pockets are, they are stiched much more heavily and more like a sewn sling. I.e. they are full strength. If you can blow the stiching on the end pocket...which is what would have to happen for this scenario to play out, then you would also have blown apart a normal sewn sling. If you can do that, you're toofahking fat, so loose some weight beyotch. I am always backed up w/ the rope anyway. And I really don't see how you could even hope to generate enough force to rip the end loop tacking without taking a full length factor 2 onto the daisy.

This doesn't make sense to me. If you have clipped the end loop, and DON'T unclip it, but then clip an intermediate loop into the same biner as well...now having two non-adjacent loops clipped...how would it fail? The only way I can conceptualize this happening is if you clip two adjacent loops into the same biner, where you are then relying purely on the stitching between those two loops as your lifeline. I anchor in with a spectra daisy all the time (in addition to the rope) and I routinely shorten it by clipping off another loop. As long as the end loop stays clipped and you don't clip the adjacent one, there is no issue. Worst case is you zipper pockets until you reach the end loop at which point you have a weaker sewn-sling type configuration going on. Hell even if that blows out, you've got the rope into the anchor.

Three words: Divider, not uniter.

Burt's pissed dude.

The Bloom book is the shizz. The Cornacchione (sp?) guide or even the Falcon Utah guide will have more stuff than you can climb. Website: try climbingmoab.com Of course you will want to do the uber classic 5 star, everyone and their grandma has climbed them except you: Supercrack 9+ Incredible Handcrack 10 The Wave 10 Generic Crack 9 Chocolate Corner 10a Battle of the Bulge 11 Coyne Crack simulator 11 You could easily just walk up to Supercrack Buttress and take your pick of lines from 9 to 12+. Blue Gramma cliff faces more south than any other cliff I can think of down there, so it's a good cold weather option. Supercrack Butt faces W/SW and the left side of Donnelly faces S. as well. In the area, in Castle Valley, mostly 4 pitch towers: Kor-Ingalls 9+ (on Castleton) North Chimney 9 (Castleton) Jah Man 10 (on Sister Superior) Fine Jade 11- (on the Rectory and very nice) And you might as well go over to the Fishers and do Ancient Art 11- or 8 A0. You won't forget the summit pitch on that one for a long time. The crux section is only about 15ft of face climbing/pebble pinching. If it were me, I'd tick the classics at Supercrack Butt, then hit the towers.

Mike, the Rogue Alehouse is in your area, and IMO has the best beer in town. Also the Kingston Pub on W. Burnside has some pretty damn good biscuits n gravy. It's also pretty hard to beat Miser Mondays at the Lucky Lab in SE...pitchers of good shizz for like $6.50 or something. And when you're in that PBR mood, the Jolly Inn *(not to be confused w/ Jolly Roger) has 32oz buckets for like $2 or something. Shanghi tunnel, Hung Far Low, Tugboat, are all not too far away in oldtown. But for you, I think the best place is really gonna be Mary's.

Ringlers Annex is the one I'm talking about. They have some snooker tables in there in addition to regular pool tables. Free pool alot of the time too. And as I recall, free pool during the free bluegrass on Sun.

Don't know if they still do it but: Dahlia on Weds at Ohm (hard to classify Dahlia, but I don't know anyone who's disliked seeing them) and the funky organ trio (name anyone?) on Tues at the Goodfoot. Also used to be free bluegrass on Sun afternoon at the McMinimans joint on W Burnside (can't even remember the name, down around 14th or so, on the S. side...has several pooltables).

The Trusties spend all their monthly disbursement on nugs or what?

A line of bolts spaced close enough together that you can reach the next one while standing in aiders attached to the previous one. There is nothing special about it, nothing that makes it a "ladder" it's just a term for a series of bolts in blank rock, spaced about 6ft apart, give or take. You climb it by std aid climbing method, or if they are close enough together, you could french-free from bolt to bolt. There are bolt ladders on several aid routes in the PNW.The last few pitches of Town Crier at Index come to mind.