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I should probably just STFU, but here 'goes.... What I like about the new book: 1) The Mount Constance and Washington route updates. 2) The picture of the Camp Pan area on page 342. 3) The addition of White Glacier Peaks area. .....and what I don't like: 1) The size 2) The price 3) The new rock/route sketches. No Dee Molenaar he! (Sorry!) 4) The Bailey Range additions give too much away. Where's the mystery now? 5) Latitude and Longitude? Are you kidding?? Is there a Mountaineer doctrine forbidding the use of UTM? Better yet, let the traveller mark his own position with an on-site way point and find himself on a map! Again, 1000 meter UTM grid-ticks would make that easier. 6) Sport Routes in The Olympic Mountains? My God! Too much space devoted to crags that will likely revert to their mossy origins by next printing. Better to have published this section in the next Washington State rock climbing guide and left it out of this book. The Olympics have always been a range of rain, fog, and mystery. Previous editions were very helpful....but just enough so to preserve some adventure. While I don't want a falling out with the locals here - some who worked very hard on this project, I'm sure - I think this edition strays too far from its roots. I don't know if it's Mountaineer Publishing, or OMR, but someone should have just left well enough alone. Brian

Nice trip! A true adventurer would have headed for the Godkin-Rustler divide, Muncaster Basin and down Pyrites Creek. Just kidding. I'm curious about your methodology: do you just throw darts at a USGS Topo? measure the greatest distance from the nearest obscure trail? or just look for peaks that have an altitude designator as the official name? You are the modern day Tom Sawyer/Lt O'niel. Nice pictures too.

Wow. I'm in CC.com rehab and am only posting when something here gets my heartrate up.... Your picture is the best ever posted on this website. I don't know if you're the photographer or the subject, but that pic belongs on the cover of Couloir or Outside or...The New York Times! Absolutely breathtaking.

I don't agree with all of these sites. In fact, I would strongly disagree with most. But a natural stone/timber structure w/toilet facilities somewhere near Lunch Counter on Mount Adams would make the place more desirable, environmentally sound - and sanitary. The status quo has left the place a sewer. As it stands now, camping there should be banned. Ditto all of my comments for Heliotrope Ridge on Baker.

The topic of this thread is rape. Can you say legal action, Kurt?

Say again, asshole? More evidence this site is in the fucking sewer.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12241326/ Looks like those right-wing nuts might just be right this time. Of course, a liberal like you would never pre judge a serious case like this. Innocent until proven guilty and all that troublesome nonsense, eh? Can you say Tawana Brawley? I'm coming out of exile - this one time only - to tell you what a fucking moron you are, E-Rock. And the fact that the administrator here allows you to threaten 'butt-rape' without edit only demonstrates why this site now resides in the gutter. The AZT has turned your brain to cheese. Fuck off E-Rock.

My Cingular had a full SOS-Only signal from the top of Snow Dome, up to the summit on Mount Olympus. Cingular uses that stupid GSM signal that is good for multimedia, but sucks for strength. I agree with Josh; I've heard from several people that Verizon's digital/analog default is the best for rural coverage. When my Cingular contract is up, I'm going to switch.

I would think that if any forum on this site needed to be "open", it would be access. But it would seem that, once again, it is access that needs to be controlled. Congrats. You now have a website - frequented by public land managers I might add - that can be used to promote (or limit) ideas, opinions, and concerns regarding access to our mountains. Who decides what concerns these land managers get to see? You? Your mods? Is this site open forum or advocacy? Later.

Chill out, lap dog.

Again; the thread is not the issue. Why is the forum restricted at all? You are the moderator there. You've always proclaimed that you are pro-access. How can that be when you restrict access to an access forum?

Do you always have your posts "pre-approved" by the mods?? And why would they not approve it? Easier to ask forgiveness than permission. HERE is where you are not correct re this issue. You cannot ask for forgiveness b/c you cannot post in that forum. You can ONLY ask permission. BWAAHAAAHAAAA You're kinda slow, Arch. You'll make a good moderator someday.

This place is a fuck-fest. I'm really trying to raise a serious question about the moderation here. The very people who one would assume support open debate/ideas here are the same ones who defend limitatons on just that. WHY would something as innocent as an access forum require mod-screening?

It really is all the evil liberals fault. Show me where I'm not correct, re this issue.

The story isn't the issue here, although, if the story as written is true, I am not in favor of said legislation.

MattP; access forum moderator. I should have known.

Whatever. Selective censorship. Funny how liberals believe in open debate...until faced with the real-deal.

Recently came to my attention. How long has this policy been in effect at cc.com? Why? Has the local land-manager posse been complaining? Which forum is next?

SHIT!!!! I just tried a test-post there... and you're right. UN-F-ing believable! Say it aint so, John. What has this site become?

Do you always have your posts "pre-approved" by the mods?? And why would they not approve it? Easier to ask forgiveness than permission.

"Keep on whining and complaining......"

Yes. God forbid we actually hold our state agencies accountable for the money we give them.....all-the-while your ilk tries to give them even more! BTW, how can Republicans - who by definition are part of the government - be anti-government? I think what you really meant to say is anti-waste.

A citizen can only vote to "give up their rights" via constitutional ammendment. I-330 does no such thing. It is beyond me how this organization can be against state audits. WTF? Is this group tax-exempt? Do they really exist? I've been climbing for 20 years and have never heard of them. I went in at 5:15am today.

Let me see if I have this right? You post a link to a patently partisan site that claims to represent climbers (not me!), but want to remain insulated from debate? You should have posted this crap in Spray to begin with. Maybe a mod should move it there.

If liberals admit who they really are pre-election day; they lose every time. The only way they attain office, is to misrepresent themselves ala Hillary Clinton.