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But he didn't 'catch up' with the guilty slobs. He chose to post his lecture here. I (and, I'm sure, you too) pick up shit on almost every freakin' trip I do - from soiled underwear and half-buried socks to deflated mylar balloons - and I don't post a notice here shaking my index finger at any-and-all. Yes. The whole holier-than-thou lecture thing seems to go hand-in-hand with the mindset more often than not.

You sound like yet another condescending environmentalist with unacceptable manners and lagging intellect. Pick up the shit and STFU.

Where is "Camp Harris/Murkwood Camp"? Never heard of it. Did you find any soiled blue Patagonia midweight bottoms tangled up with urine-soaked kaki shorts?

While the current trend is sad, take solice in the fact that we are just here for the blink of an eye. The glaciers will return - and shrink yet again. Of course the current global warming trend is real, but despite efforts to convince me/public, I remain wholly unconvinced that we're looking at anything more than mostly natural cycles-within-cycles. The glacier above took a mere 20 years to form up in St Helens' crater, and while not a typical case it does demonstrate how quickly a glacier can reconstitute or form given the proper conditions. Not 'centuries' as we were taught in school, but decades.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4923504.stm

Laid to rest? Won't the last human just die and rot where he or she fell?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5274040.stm

YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT? Well, the problem there is that he doesn't have a .357 in his hand. That's a .45; but it'll work. More specifically, a .45 Long Colt - but possibly an old .32/20 or .44/40. That lever gun is most likely a .30-.30, but could be a .45/70...or .45 LC. ...But then I'm no expert. A sub-sonic .22long will keep the neighbors sleeping soundly while little Bandit is sent to that big Alpo-feast in the sky. BTW: have you ever seen what one of those vicious stripe-ed varmits can do to a hard-boiled egg?

I did too. But if I understand the current mantra correctly; "no one died when Clinton lied". Right? Except a few thousand Serbs ...and a janitor in Sudan. But we digress here - the real issue is Crux' political obsession. The poor guy hasn't posted a TR all summer and confesses above that he views even the most benign thread title with blinders on.

You didn't seem upset enough to protest over things like this a few years back: But I guess only your political anger requires redress?

Because the nexus of anger in which you reside does not allow you to see the world as anything but political.

One irony in your premise is that these 'brighter minds...capable of understanding the higher math...' will most likely lack the social skills necessary to convey their unifying thesis - such is often the mind of the intellectual. Aka 'geeks'. They will rely on messengers and translators - with no adgenda of their own of course - to bring the grand message to the lay-masses. Cretainly a religion based on science will require the strictest adherance. I suspect those who do not subscribe might even be considered 'dangerous'. But I mostly agree with you, Oly. Seems to me that sentient life is what it is. The natural order of things in this universe over time - the universe bringing awareness to itself through a concoction of compounds and ordered sequences that become naturally more complex. That said, I still find it impossible to imagine the dust at the end of time is void of a consciousness that remembers we were all once here.

Obviously not applicable to the 4 gas-giants, but can a rocky-bodied planet really collapse/spin itself into a sphere at less than some minimum mass? At some critical mass/density of material the core of a sperical body would have to become hot/molten - wouldn't it? I suspect the gravitational forces of an orbiting body (moon) would lower the threshold even farther. I'm sure there is a mass/density/gravity formula, but I'm too lazy to investigate right now.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4795755.stm If UB313 is larger than Pluto/Charon it certainly deserves inclusion in the 'planet' family. But honestly, I wasn't aware that the asteroid Ceres was a sphere. Doesn't the fact that a planet or moon is near-sperical indicate it has - or had - a molten core? Anyway; this debate all seems like semantics to me. Prematurley categorizing every conceivable object we encounter in the universe down the road will probably just narrow our collective view.

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You sound bitter, Arch.

Your (dumb) idea has already been suggested by this fellow...... You keep good company.

I believe more people will start leaving the car at home and use the transporter.

Let's see here; you post a picture of a decimated Red Cross vehicle and neglect to post any context or story. How in the hell do you conclude that I hold The Red Cross complicit?? Was the vehicle being used to transport weapons/fighters? If Hezbolla is willing to place missile launchers on apartment buildings and set up HQ in a hospital then they share the blame for images like the one you so mindlessly posted. I think you're the one drinkin' the Koolaid. Obviously, a good climber does not a thinker make.

Calm down, bitch.

Are you certain we're looking at reality here? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5254838.stm

Climb:Sloan-Glacier/Corkscrew Date of Climb:8/5/2006 Trip Report: With my friend Greg, brother Steve, and two of his friends - Todd and JB - we did a day trip up Sloan Saturday. River crossing is no problem. Glacier is crevassed and somewhat broken if you go diagonal/direct toward shelf, but I think the the upper/longer glacier crossing should stay safe and passable for some time. Beautiful summit views of the Monte Cristo Group. Congrats to the two guys I met finishing the west ridge climb. About 6 hrs 45 minutes up with 3 solid breaks for food/water/views. Gear Notes: Rope (Glacier) Ice Axe Sandals (River Crossing) Approach Notes:

....Meanwhile Iran, the likely instigator of this whole affair, continues to enrich uranium on page A-12. And the Jew-hating UN grants the ayatollas another 31 days to comply with demands....'or else'.

So when Hezbolla sets up a missile battery on/near an apartment building full of innocents exactly who is responsible for the subsequent carnage? I think any reasonable person can see. Hezbolla.