Pencil_Pusher

Sixteen pounds? Fer cripes sake! I would've thought their boots would've weighed that much! I'm impressed how back in those early years, especially during the Great Depression, none of the people in the photos were fat. Times were lean and the people were too. What in all tarnation did these guys use for headlamps? Or did they just plow through the night? Maps, portable stoves and cookware, were sticks used for ice axes? I could see the sleeping in a big pile of leaves/shrubs, but holy frijoles, all this stuff we so readily have (polypro) they didn't. Advil? I'm with sketchfest, to those hardcore hard-men of the past. for Bronka too.

quote: but I routinely over-load the thing iain, I never would have guessed!

Yeah, those old farts from yesteryear were hardcore for braving the elements without the benefit of all the conveniences us young 'uns (relatively) enjoy. Thanks for the look into the past.

"Ride tall, shoot straight, and live to tell the truth"-Cooper? [instant-Homer-Simpson-drooling-graemlin] I just got my Deltaforce catalog in the mail. What a hoochie-mama on the cover! If you're not vegeterian, you pay to slaughter animals by the masses. They may not be as cute as your peachy-fuzzy-wuzzy animals hunters kill, but they're animals nonetheless. Man didn't get to the top of the food chain by hunting like an idiot. Cue Necro... [ 11-01-2002, 02:15 PM: Message edited by: Pencil Pusher ]

Jesus, tits, and casserole, this has turned into quite the soap opera. Who would've guessed lambone was going to put a plug in for VW here? Sheeeit, all Anna needs to do is give a wink and a smile to one of you horndog ropeguns and she'll get all the climbing experience she can handle.

Here's a to that rusty piton on Saber that saved Anna's ass! Isn't there a sheared off piton on that route? Ditto trask. Practice placing pro and setting anchors. While I have not won the Darwin Award, I have done plenty of stupid climbing shit myself. The important part is to learn from your mistakes. Learn or die.

It reads on the hot side because you're moving so damn fast all the time, sketchfest! I heard some watch company in Seattle services the Avocet watches. They can plop a new replacement seal in when the battery is changed.

Insofar as "objectivity" and "untainted" are concerned, consider the chain of custody.

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Wouldn't it be sweet to get updated digital photos of areas/faces/routes from the likes of Civil Air Patrol folks and others that fly around? I don't fly but I wonder how much flight activity there is for the Cascades and such. Maybe some of you SAR folks could snap some photos and post them here on your next volcano run.

Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't watch television. Watching other people live their lives... tv.

Are drug tests the norm beyond govt jobs now? I personally don't like marijuana being an illegal drug. Primarily because it doesn't kill people. Sure, maybe 20 years down the road like cigarettes, but unlike alcohol, pot doesn't make you go out and run people over stoned. Besides, the govt could actually tax the crap out of it like they do tobacco and make some money. I only heard a brief bit on the news of some quadraplegic in Oregon getting busted by the feds for what Oregon law says he can do, grow marijuana at his residence. Does the 10th amendment mean anything?

I thought the helicopter saved your ass. Or was it the cellphone?

quote: If you've ever bivvied with your male partner and snuggled for warmth, didn't you find they were warmer than a female partner in the same situation?Hmmm, let me think . While this has been discussed as a contingency plan for extreme cold, my guess is not too many guys have experienced what you describe. Maybe that's the key to going light. Perhaps Twight would shed some light(!) on this subject Really though, it just depends on the individuals. Two people could roast together whereas some are cold-skinned... someone get Courtenay for this physiological advice.

I'm in the bike group. Biking saved my knees. No more Icy Hot nor Advil if I bike on a regular basis, mileage unknown. When they were hurting, using hiking sticks helped with an Ace knee brace. Bike, bike, bike.

I would think people in the medical profession's pay is directly related to their education and/or training.

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I heard the record for the Wonderland Trail is 28+ hours... for all you trail runners out there. Blight said something about doing the Olympus trip in 14+ hours. I think some dude named Yvon-or-something once said, "If you bring bivy gear, you will bivy." Zone out the pain and trash the records of the past.

DanO, I was thinking about the climber's weight as well. Wasn't Goran a big guy? I'm no engineer though so I have no clue what, if any, difference that has on impact force or whatever. What I would like to know, as perhaps others here would as well, is if and when there will be a memorial service for Goran? Erden or anyone else know?

Hey Lambone, is a cell phone included in the ten essentials?

It's times like these that make me feel good for leaving my beat-up, unwashed car at these trailheads. I too am a subscriber to the "out of sight, out of mind" philosophy. It'd be a real shame to get your butt kicked talking smack and confronting people who just stole from you. Instead, make a lot of noise and attract others attention if you happen upon them. If no one else is around, your best bet is to either be a really good witness or think you know what you're doing and approach the thieves... your choice. It'd probably be best to be a really good witness. Make mental notes to self and write it all down as soon as you can. File your report and hope for the best. The police response time is dependent on too many factors to briefly type up. Take a walk in their shoes and you'll see things in a different light, much further from typical stereotypes and alot you'll wish you hadn't seen. Notice they're not telling you how to do your job. State Patrol = Professional Taillight Chasers That's all they do. Stick with King County on this one.

Hey, the Japanese have had this for a while, now we get our turn! Samsung has this cell-phone with a digital camera built in that SprintPCS is now offering service for. Imagine all the possibilities.

We humans smart animals, we carry guns.

A day late and a dollar short, Performance Bike's sale ended on Saturday. Too bad, that was a good sale. I redeemed my trip east by finding my way through the campus and to Marymoor. Deja vu going through the campus, not too long ago I was evading the docker patrol and visiting all the buildings. Does Codato post here?

Tod, great trip report. Thanks for all the info. Don't worry about the permit or the folks that feel the need to remind you about such.