Peter_Puget

Dwayner I do remember those days. Thanks for not showing "those" pictures. You know the after party pictures. I didn't realize I was giving you a hard time in my earlier post. So I thought those good times were back. One of us must be from venus the other mars and the third..... Dr. Phil were are you!

Sorry about your Grandmother Off. Dru - What's the longest period of time you go without thinking about climbing? A good climbing film sounds good. I haven't seen many but the last good one I did see was in a North Face store right after Collins refreed Psycho roof. He was giving a slide show and showing a short film. It was a short one with lots of exciting falls. I think Lowe might have been involved with the film. North Face was a different type of company back then. I remember as my friend and I entered we were handed a beer and later someone passed us a joint. Maybe that's why I liked the film so much. Dru what would be your picks for a good rock climbing video to rent? PP

LOL Dwayner don't be so serious! You really don't make my list either BUT DFA is getting pretty close!

Looks like good weather this weekend. What do people have lined up?

Occasionally my sworn and eternal enemy (Dwayner) posts point out something of value. This one actually helps understand the nature of the political debates on CC.com. Clearly people have many assumptions and beliefs about what the basic tenants are of the major religions of our culture. What I find amazing is that Dwayner can cow everyone and seem like a bloody genius by spewing forth some facts that would be known to most anyone taking a general survey course in the Old Testament - after the first lecture. Perhaps he has taught such a course. In that sense he is right when he states that there is a high level of "ignorance" in the spray. I would suggest that the same level of ignorance exists in the political spectrum of spray as well. The nature of the commentary is virtually identical. Of course I have never let ignorance get in the way of a good time!

Nah Polish Bob will look down on me!

Damn! Can't do that many moves between bolts.

Just as long as you'll always give me Smith beta!

I feel like this soap opera never changes. J-B Quote: "I hope everyone is noticing that most of the grandiose diatribes above are not supported by any links to reputable articles. As they say, the ideologues come out of the woodwork and the innocents pay the price." I have repeatedly stated how many of J-B's links in the past haven't been all that "reputable" but have come to understand that his claim here is honest: his politics do not rely upon logic but rather the "democracy of the committed" where the loudest and most pompous (read in this case left wing protestors) have somehow established a greater claim to be heard and obeyed; a greater correctness. Sadly these "Loudittes" and "Pompousites" are mostly a disparate collection of bodies that are merely reactions to the existence of a status quo. I think that in the past J-B has referred to Edward Said. Perhaps not. Nevertheless he is often referred to in the debate over Middle East issues and while his ideas on exploitation remain utter crap they are in fact held in high regard by many lefties. Lets see what he wrote in Al-Ahram , an Egyptian government funded newspaper. [/i]"For the moment, I shall discount George Bush and his coterie of advisers, spiritual mentors, and political managers like Pat Robertson, Franklin Graham, and Karl Rove: they seem to me slaves of power perfectly embodied in the repetitive monotone of their collective spokesman Ari Fliescher (who I believe is also an Israeli citizen). Bush is, he has said, in direct contact with God, or if not God, then at least Providence. Perhaps only Israeli settlers can converse with him". [/i] Whow! What inflammatory racist shit. Beneath contempt. Not even accurate about Ari. Notice the way he constructs his claim? Leaving enough wiggle room so that he can't be hung when it comes out it is BS. I say he knew it wasn't true from the start. As to Peaceniks what can we say? Will they ever learn? Here is the always erudite John O'Sullivan stating the obvious: As to the "irresistible" character of the marchers and their opinions, it is worth recalling that there have been three such mass movements in the last two decades. In the years 1982 and onwards, there were massive "peace" marches in Western Europe and the U.S. to protest against the installation of defensive U.S. missiles in NATO countries when the Soviet Union refused to withdraw its own SS-20s. NATO and the West stood firm; the Soviet Union imploded; and it is now hard to find someone who admits to having been a peace marcher. Nine years later in 1991 there were massive peace marches in Europe to protest against the U.S.-led war to liberate Kuwait. The young (well, youngish) Gerhard Schroeder, now Germany's Chancellor, led the campaign, warning that the Bush regime might use nuclear weapons against Iraq "with terrible consequences." But the U.S.-led coalition ignored the marchers and liberated Kuwait without any of the horrors predicted. Does even Schroeder now defend his "peace" activities then? Almost certainly he would prefer a kindly veil to be drawn over them. So today's peace marches really are "déjà vu all over again." All that remains of the first two campaigns is a fading outline of revolutionary posturing and a nasty smell of idealism gone sour. The irresistible advance of the peace marchers was resisted. And history sees them merely as the dupes of tyrants Muffy is right concerning the slimey Frenchmen and oil but here is a wonderful article on the Noble German: Noble Germany. From the first paragraph:two German government ministers let readers know that there is little danger now that that American-hating terrorists could unleash the smallpox virus on the German population."Germans first suppress the info, then say "don't worry they won't waste their precious smallpox on Germany they want the US!" Pathetic. The ideologues come out of the woodwork and the innocents pay the price." Precisely what many have noted as they watched the protests succor Saddam. By supporting him they make war inevitable. The "Anti war protests for war." How ironic. PP

Free at last! Off I am sending suggestions to this guy's wife Ian Wallace. Hopefully he'll come around town this summer.

OK, so one of the many people behind the mighty force that is Poptart wants to know....what do you want for Valentine's Day? I think we already know that bible-o-phile Johnny Density wants a Hummer, and we can likely conjecture Trasky wants a couple of Hooters girls (loans only pleeze), but what do the rest of you want? Expecting a lot of spray, but seriously, what would you really like to get on this holiday of lovers?

"Just put out damnit. " Hey that was my line in my 20s!

Hey ChucK Article on the way. Broke my 'puter and my scanner needs a SCSI card interface so my new 'puter won't work with it. Need to get a new scanner then scan those pics and maps and ol'PP will be in your good graces! Hey I wasn't even whining. I even said thanks! PP

The face climbs to the right are pretty fun to if they are even visible through the moss these days. Speaking of TR soloing does anyone know if there are anchors on the Garden Rock? Or if it is too dirty to climb. By the way ChucK keep on pushing the climbing talk! PP

Quote:"discuss whether it would be possible to traverse all 3 index peaks in a day, and if doing so puts you on the list of strongest climbers in washington." I am sure it's been done many times. And no it doesn't friends who have don't seem like supermen to me. Solid shafted friends

I was expecting more opinions but there must be too much political stuff going on. Thanks!

Let's hear some opinions as to the best venue with 500-1,000 seat for a rock act in the Puget Sound area let's include Portland and Vancouver (BC) as well. Thanks PP

Up by Bellingham are a couple of small yet groovy crags. And out by Rockport is another I think the electronic guide is at Misha.org

What do the letters REI stand for? CJ - Go for it. I always thought that it would be a fun thing to do. I agree REI has certainly changed over the years and not in a direction that I would have chosen. Erik - One of those members of the BOD is from my very limited experience a pretty good guy. I know he has been climbing for years and had contributed much to climbing issues. Not to mention paying the wages of many climbers. Not sure what kinda car he drives but if his wife pulled into a climbing parking lot her car would be way less flashy and spendy than many of the hip young climbers. PP

The catagories: Bouldering: Need to do some! All the new areas and problems have me inspired. Trad: Mastadon Roof in the Icicle. As far as Mary Jane goes, I remember it as being an ok route with a surprising amount of grubby rock esp near the top. Galaxy - Bring along lots of full length runners. Freeway up at Squamish. Sport: Just something steep.

I have been working on an article about Castle Crags. It consists of: A short TR of my first trip. A brief discussion of the area. A simple map and directions to easily found routes. Four of five photos. I want to send it in to CC.com. What formats are preferred? Is there a place for it here? I know its not in the WA Cascades but you do have great views of Shasta while climbing and anyone going south of Redding is only a couple miles from some nice routes or fun hiking. PP Also, I think Offwhite and Allison are willing to review it so hopefully it won't be as boring as my posts.

Jon/Timmy - I have written a short article on Castle Crags. Starts with a short narrative of my first climb. It then describes the rock, the climbing and finally suggests climbs suitable for a quick visit. Two maps and several photos.(Pics need to be scanned) How does one submit such a thing?

I agree with the "keep TRs free of spray notion." Mattp deserves a beer for his actions as moderator. I hate the bloody TR spray on this site yet many times I feel sprays pull esp politcal spray. (Guess I need to work harder!) Besides the goofiness of TR spray it is a real pain to look something up via search and find pages of spray to wade thru. PP New Years Resolution: I will Spray No More Forever!

Seems like Erik was at Index, but he hasn't yet revealed what he's been up to. PP was at Discovery Park this weekend so he has nothing to report BUT I am sure alot of you guys were enjoying the sunshine so spill the beans! PP