Peter_Puget

Your Cheney quote is so out of context the it must either reflect ignorance or a willing lie. Transcript From the transcript, it seems clear that Russert did not even blink. This is because Cheney mis-spoke, and Russert knew it. Russert had asked whether Iraq had a nuclear program; earlier in the interview, Cheney had asserted his belief that Saddam had "reconstituted these programs since the Gulf War." With this response, Cheney managed to substitute "weapons" for "programs," but it is clear from the context what he meant. Later in the show, Cheney also said this: " ... over time, given Saddam’s posture there, given the fact that he has a significant flow of cash as a result of the oil production of Iraq, it’s only a matter of time until he acquires nuclear weapons." PP

Well J-B we for once are in complete agreement - your last line is the absolute truth. If we are relatively silent, we are screwed. I do not think that the anti-tax people are responsible for this phenomenon. Their presence has simply accelerated the acknowledgement of the problem. The problem results from the process of government finance. User fees were in play long before Eyman was around. Go to the Parks website and read the financial info there. What was surprising to me was the small amount of money that was actually spent by the Parks department. PP

Jim is correct that tax burdens can be calculated in various ways. I would add that one should be willing to do some research on ones own - you may decide to find Jims figures less menaingful than one would think at first blush. eg the tax burden rank for WA as a % of Y including state, local and Feceral taxation results ion the following rankings: 2003 - 12 2002 -5 2001 -5 2000 -6 1999 -5 Clearly not the middle of the pack. Link: www.taxfoundation.org

Dru - Why must you make fun of my sexuality? Honestly it's kinda fucked. Answer the polls or not PP

Freinds V

Friends IV

Friends III

Friends II

Friends users answer these pols:

Black Diamond V

Black Diamiond IV

Black Diamond III

Black Diamond II

Black Diamond Users Answer these Polls PP

Erik – For now ignore type of climbing and just think of frequency. You and I must think alike because the follow up was going to be to take the top two or three and set up sub-polls asking what type of climbing the user primarily participated in.

..it's most often a Cam PreferenceWild Country Forged FriendWild Country Technical FriendBlack Diamond CamalotCCH AlienDMM TCU/FCUMetolius TCU/FCUClog CamHB QuadamRobot CamWired BlissSplitterTrango Flex CamOcun Metal JacketOther PP

Just an example of the thjnigs people will do when there isn't a GROOVY NEW ROCK CLIMBING FORUM to post to. PP

Minx, can you reveal what route you were on and what challenges you faced?

OK Jens I'll bite show me the calculation showing at least $1,000/year. And I think that man made rocks shouldn't count but go ahead and include them. You still haven't explained the nature of the threat to either 38 or Index. PP

I hear there is a good OW/Squeeze TR near Clem’s Holler in Leavenworth.

Did you ever climb Behind the Eightball? If so spill the beta please PP

Did I miss where the threat was revealed?

I was reading the Alaska Airline magazine on the way from a meeting in CA and noticed that it had an article on Oregon mirco-brews. Terminal Gravity made special mention. Congrats to TG!

Great post JIM!

Actually Dwayner he is named after the ultra groovy band Slap Happy! and your favorite pastime! What rock climbing is (and some CC.com climbers too): It’s:Bouldering (eg Squamish Distal32) It’s Cragging (eg Index, Leavenworth Peter Puget) It’s Sport Climbing (eg Si, Smith, DFA) It’s Slab climbing (Statis Point, Darrington DavidW) It’s Big Wall Climbing (Squamish, Index, Liberty Bell – for training, Lambone,Yos) It’s aid – (various places Bigwalling) It’s free climbing It’s top roping I'd even throw in GYM CLimbing as WELL! As far as Slapphappy maybe if there was a super groovy ROCK CLIMBING FORUM he would share some info!