hollyclimber

You forgot the one about leaving a seat between you and your buddy at the movie theatre. I have always thought that was so wierd!

To my pub club pals.... Sorry that I have been missing you. The life of the newly single often requires neglecting of the pub club. After all, I can't neglect the crag on the weekend, so something has to go! But, in all seriousness, I will have to make sure and come next week so that you all still remember me. Is there such a thing as a pub that allows dogs? Maybe when I close on my house I will have to have pub club at my place. Dagen just hates being left out. hgb

But is there like a Bible of these research results? Do I trust a spreadsheet on TradGirl.com? Who conducted the test? Was it scientific? You know what I am saying here. Maybe it is because I am an accountant, and for that work I have to be 100% sure of what my source is and the degree of authority I can give it, but I want authoritative data. When a guide spouts off data on the EDK, where are they getting it from? Tradgirl?

I guess I assumed sexual chocolate was a man... I actually think Jon is pretty attractive. I saw him when I was getting ready to climb Bo Derek and he was trying some sick route to the left with 2 buddies. I didn't know it was him when I noticed that he was at a minimum easier on the eyes then his buddies, but after he left my friends filled me in.

Mneagle-- a) I see myself as Dagny Taggert. Way cooler (and I like Ayn Rand). b) You aren't supposed to say that there is a "John Galt". It ruins the mystery. c) she is nuts, but its very interesting to read. I'll have to check out Twight now.

This is great because I am headed on an out of town trip today, and I needed some suggestions on what to read. I have to hit the Borders in my building before I leave town, otherwise I am going to be stuck reading my "tax research" textbook. Argh.

Mr chocolate----- I just can't answer your intensely introspective questions, they hurt my brain. Its just climbing, don't think about it. Go talk about your author on the what do you read thread...maybe someone else will have an opinion on him. I have never heard of him. [This message has been edited by hollyclimber (edited 10-17-2001).]

Here is what I want to know... Some people, like Lambone just the other day, always seem to know the ratings of everything (ie how many kilonewtons until you get to the center of the tootsie roll pop). How do I find this stuff out? For example, I had someone tell me all this info about using flat overhand knots and how safe they are etc. If I want to go and look up this data to validate it, where do I go? Or, if you threw away the paper that came with your #2 camalot, and you wanted to read all the geeky fine print, same question...where to go. By the way, if anyone thinks that a .5 camalot wouldn't fail under a "normal" 80 foot fall, you should see the shred of a camming device that I got to see at the pub last weekend. Crazy sh*t. Freaked me out big time.

You know Tim, you are SO close to answering my quiz question, but then you also had advance beta. Seriously, Atlas Shrugged is the best book I have ever read, and it makes the route named after a feature in the book even more fun to climb now (even though I got spanked on it the last time I went up). The thing with guide books that is so cool is that you can read them over and over, and never get sick of them. If you haven't done the route yet, you are dreaming of when you will. If you have done it, you are trying to remember what the hell it was like! Or, ok, enjoying your memories of the climb.

Now, lets all be clear about this...I like Matt. He is a cool guy, and even if he wasn't, I like everyone who shows up at Pub Club because that is real life and its good to interact in the real world as well as in this fun-playground of a website. As I said in the other forum today, I totally disagree about needing anything to change on this site. And, if there are people who don't post here because of the spray, WHO CARES? Is this supposed to be an effort to make sure that every climber in the NW posts to this site? Is it like a public building that we have to make sure is accessible for all of society. No, its a stupid climbing site where we say a bunch of dumb stuff, insult each other, ask advice and occasionally get answers. The reality is, it is not going to change, so why wish for something that will never happen. This site would be SO boring if it was super polite and just about route beta or something. As much as I can't stand pencil neck, its fun to watch everyone spar with him. And, hey, did you know that Dan Larsen wants to climb Mt Rainier again? (No-oooo, you don't say?) Its a funny site, and I have zero problems with it the way it is.

Definitely agree on Devil's thumb.

So, we are talking about Krakauer in a couple forums, and ended up discussing some of his books a little. So, the question is, what does everyone like to read? I am not ashamed to admit that quite often, I fall asleep reading guide books. I figure that is kind of strange, but I keep all my climbing books right next to my bed, and a lot of nights I grab one and start figuring out what I want to climb. I wake up in the morning with one or two guidebooks in the bed. Lately, its been the Big Walls Super Topo, and of course Beckey is a favorite. I got sort of bored with the climbing adventure type books awhile back, so I haven't read one in awhile. Any new ones worth checking out? Climbing got me to read my favorite book ever, Atlas Shrugged. There is a simple and direct reason why something in climbing made me read that book. Anyone know? (its like a riddle, and it helps if you know where I like to climb this time of year). Ok, that's enough rambling about reading stuff. Anyone else read guidebooks for entertainment or sleep inducement? (Cavey, can you read yet?)

I think Me and I were reading the same book... Into the wild had an interesting short story as its base. I thought JK tried to hard to stretch it out. Not only did it jump around, but some of things it jumped around too weren't that interesting or relevant to the story. The writing itself did not seem to be of the quality of Into Thin Air, or the other short stories I have read. From what I remember (its been about 4 years since I read it) I really like Eiger Dreams. Anyway, I am no book critic, and we all enjoy different types of writing. I used to be really into reading climbing adventure stories after I read Into Thin Air when it first came out. I think Touching the Void is the best book of that genre that I have ever read. hgb

mr chocolate- Are you just joking around? In case not, from what I remember JK spent some time doing construction and/or carpentry to pay the bills. I thought into the Wild was a horrible book. It was my "workout book" a few years ago and even the torture and boredom of the cardio machines couldn't get me to finish the last chapter or so. But, I like everything else of his that I have read. I have never talked to the dude, and I have zero opinion on him.

I have to join in... No matter what I think about JK, (which is nothing) I totally support Dru's (and everyone elses) right to be totally rude and insensitive on this site. Even when its not in the spray section. Otherwise, I would be really bored reading all this stuff! We have had this discussion a number of times and basically, while there are people who get offended or get their feelings hurt, its just sort of the way it goes. We all use this site primarily to have fun, and sometimes we get some good info from each other too. One of the first times I posted to this site, I got totally ripped on for inserting something that implied what grade I might climb. I was a little pissed off. Now, I understand, and I would be tempted to say the same thing to someone else who posted what I did. Its all fun and games, and hopefully JK is man enough to not get hurt by words.

H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y M I K E!!! Congrats on turning 30- I hope you get some good climbing in this weekend at Smith, or wherever you go. Holly

Adjustable aiders are good for jugging. If that's all your doing, they are pretty good because they are secure on the foot, comfortable and can be microadjusted exactly right. If you are leading in blocks (and therefore jugging in blocks) they are nice.

I checked it out... Some of the women are beautiful...but after you look at the other pictures, Steph to me just looks so gross. Way to skinny. Do you guys actually dig that? I don't know how she can even survive being that skinny and climbing.

I think I have to miss pub club this week So, I vote for Tacoma! (just kidding)

Geez Will, I might climb like an Amazon woman, but try size 35.5! That link though is like a miracle! How could I fail to find it, but at this point, I am just hoping that its not a cyber-mirage. I am going to call them right now! [This message has been edited by hollyclimber (edited 10-08-2001).]

Of course we all like this topic for some sick reason According to the following website, Urine a sterile body compound. Everything you read on the web is true, right? http://biomedx.com/urine/

Urine is sterile when it first leaves the body. However, bacteria or whatever develops quickly after that. So, cleaning up the pee bottle is a good idea. Now if someone would clean up the pee smell of El Cap, climbing would have a whole new aroma.

The Mirage by La Sportiva is my favorite climbing shoe. They are best when they are new, not great with a resole, so I used to buy new ones when they wore out. I have two old pairs, but I haven't been able to get new ones for at least 2 years now. Anyone figure out how to get them? I tried La Sportiva USA, and while they say they still make them, its always a 3-4 month wait. Then, when I check back, 3-4 months later, its still a 3-4 month wait.

I know a team of 3 women who climbed Denali together. One brought the lady J, the other two felt it was unnecessary. By the end of the trip they were all SHARING the one lady j. However, peeing in a tent is 573 times easier then trying to pee on the wall. At least if you care about trying not to pee on the route. I found it pretty tough and definitely got envious of my male climbing partner who didn't have to worry about logistics.

Hey dudes- Thanks for the responses, I am all hooked up with a partner now for this weekend. Hope I see some of you cc.com people down there. If you see me with my big dopey black white and tan "puppy", say hi. Lambone: U Wall was ok. My partner wasn't sure about just launching into our first multi-day aid wall, so we just climbed 2 pitches. That was fun, and I learned some stuff. I managed to do my first Grade 6 in the Valley, so now U Wall seems so short and do-able. I wish it was still the right weather for getting on it. I thought about going up there this weekend, but it is supposed to rain. So, I might have to save it for the spring.