Billy

Actually, they won't be adding more guiding to the mountain, they will just be redistributing the same number of user days between more guide services. You can read all about it in the climbing management plan. From what I have heard, if RMI is divided in 3, those 3 guide services would be the three largest guide services in America.

Anyone done any of the routes on Big Kangaroo? Any route suggestions?

Ryland- As Wayne sez-go gansta style on it. Its a great route. Bring some nuts, a few pins and a few cams. If you are a solid 5.11 leader you'll be able to free climb the whole thing.

What's up with the current fashionable obsession for Yocum?

The slope from the base of crater to the hogs is perfect for avalanches, east facing and just about the perfect angle. I'm surprised no one has bought it there before. Wumphs? Man you are nuts to be up there at 1pm....

I think on the last onsight it was done in 8hrs car to car.

I think it was done this past sept. That's what I heard, but you know how that goes.....

Nolse- did you see that water ice route that sometimes forms on the west face, just right of the N Ridge?

How fast did Kellog climb Khan Tengri?

Hasn't this thing been redpointed yet?

RobBob- The reason the Kyoto treaty is set up so we limit our pollution levels is that we have the power and the infrastructure to do so. The developing nations are just trying to survive. Have you ever been to Asia? Its a rough world out there. Our Kyoto response and meeting attendants have largely been determined by large energy companies CEO's etc. Just look at the names of the people who are attending the meetings on behalf of the US and check their affiliations. And with Junior Bush in the Whitehouse, we are probably going to stay that way. I think its a shame. It comes down to making money. Bush's little buddies are going to make bank, if we don't agree to limit our emmisions. How much money do they really need, and to what extent are they willing to keep polluting in order to do so? I would agree with you however on free trade agreements, in particular our MFN status with China. Until they really make a concerted effort in the human rights department, we should yank it.

C'mon Hal, you know what they were really looking at, the rims on you car aren't that great. What they were looking at was your bumper sticker from the Cayman Islands.

Yea- that east side of 3FJ looks killer, too bad its a ways in there. I was just hoping for a place that doesn't have that much of an approach, as I don't have a sled. Soda Peak is the best thing that I've found around for winter turns and the north side is about 900 ft vertical. I think Paulina would be pretty doable w/o a sled, just have to put yer skin track in the bowl and forget about the road. Unless you can hitch a ride with a sled. Black Butte might have enough coverage now, but the snow sucks ass at the moment.

Smith Rocks

Sounds good Wazzu.....best approach? How much vert? Thanks for any info. I'm burnt on the all the main areas, and looking for a new place.

Has anyone toured at Park Butte, or south of 3FJ? How about Maxwell Butte? Any good lines to be had in the winter at any of these areas? How much vert?

Has anyone been up to Pete's Pile? It might be starting now.

There are also some climbs on the West side of Willamette pass, unfortunately facing south on a high cliff band. Need very cold air.

Any pics of the nose.....?????

Do I pay you online here? Or should I just buy the book?

SO where is Table Mt? Sorry, I haven't gotten the new book yet.

Scott- Don't worry too much about it. The first few months are the toughest. I was able to take my first "real trip" to canada at about the 5 month mark after he was born. I find that I don't have quite the flexible schedule I used too, but I still climb a fair amount. I usually find that I am more focused and this helps make the day be more productive. I used to waste more days out there when I wasn't 100% pysched to climb. Now, when I go, I am all there mentally. Of course, the most important thing is to keep communicating with your spouse about your goals and needs as well as hers and this will smoothen the ride.

Are you for real? Or is this a troll.....

Greg- Here are some gun stats for you This taken from http://www.danielmauser.com/violence.html Let’s look at the simple facts: this country loses over 15,000 people each year to gun homicides. In Japan, with about half of our population, they lose less than 50 lives. Germany, a third our size, loses less than 200. Great Britain, Australia and Canada combined, less than 350. Gun supporters say that the lower death totals are due to cultural differences. If it was cultural, the death totals would be more random, not the uniformly lower totals in countries with stronger gun controls. Most of these low firearm death countries are ethnically and culturally diverse, just like the U.S. But they have one major thing in common: they all have tight gun restrictions. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist, or someone playing Moses, to see the connection!

If anyone wants gun statistics on a worldly level, they should watch the movie "Bowling For Columbine". Its really pretty frightening. My two cents: -its really an oil war, no matter what you think -readily available guns do increase gun deaths -Bush was told that the uranium info was suspect before he used it in his speech, but he chose to go ahead anyway -news deserves to be slanted to left anyway