jules

quote: Originally posted by Bug: My guess is that his boot blew away in the tent. Very possibly... he fell trying to check on the 1st man that fell, couldn't climb back up in the soft liner and one shell, decided to descend. The decision that very probably saved his life.

quote: Originally posted by Lambone: Either way you look at it, this sucks bad... Yep caused by the collapse of a snow cave. One of the climbers stepped on it and punched through.

They were all "experienced" climbers, rock & ice. [ 05-30-2002, 02:12 PM: Message edited by: jules ]

I agree with Rodchester, TG. I am truly sorry for the loss of your precious daughter, & of these 3 fellow climbers. I imagine you can empathize with these climbers' families as most of us cannot. But I believe that we all would help in a situation like that if we were/are capable, but that we are not responsible for carrying communication devices in order to be notified of such situations. If you had been with a partner and both of you carried radios in order to help the other if necessary, that is still being self-sufficient, and I think each party needs to be self-sufficient that way. I believe no party is responsible for the safety & welfare of any other but their own. As stated before, though, I'm sure we all would/will help when able. Your humility is appreciated, and I think your actions are above reproach. Peace, Jules [ 05-30-2002, 09:21 AM: Message edited by: jules ]

2 of the deceased were German, one was US citizen, but not from the Northwest. Not definite, but I perceived the man who was rescued was not from NW either. None had previously attempted/climbed Rainier. [ 05-30-2002, 09:12 AM: Message edited by: jules ]

quote: Originally posted by Stefan: REI owns something like 40% of Arc'teryx. Not anymore. That is the share that was purchased by Salomon/Adidas.

quote: Originally posted by payaso: The climbing fee goes to fill the hand sanitizer in the Muir shitters. Last year I tried to use $15 worth of the stuff before I left.

quote: Originally posted by mattp: Jules - Are you and the pup gonna be at Pub Club tomorrow night? mattp, It sure is tempting to sit outside and drink beer with ya'all. We might be there ---- I love dog-friendly pubs! It's interesting to see the heated opinions about this topic. I agree with some, don't agree with others, but I sure get a kick out of reading them all.

quote: Originally posted by dbb: What you're really paying for is to have world class rangers like gator and his staff there 24/7 to haul your broken ass of any spot on that mountain. I may be mistaken, but I believe that the rangers are under no obligation whatsoever to rescue anyone. Of course, unless the risk to their own lives is just too great, I'm pretty sure they will attempt rescue of anyone and everyone in need of said attempt.

I agree with Figger Eight... if I OR my dog is being threatened by another dog, I will do what is necessary to protect him and myself. I don't take him climbing or hiking, but he is a huge bundle of people-lovin' fur, and I doubt would ever threaten anyone or another dog. I have worse problems with mean dogs at the off-leash park. People shouldn't take aggressive dogs there, either.

6 people died on the lower mountain that year. No deaths occurred above 10,000'. At least 2 of the people who died were descending from Muir in whiteout conditions, I believe Tres was one of them. My acquaintance's body was found over 3 months later in his bivy sack at the confluence of the Cowlitz and Paradise glaciers. It's incredibly easy to get off route in poor visibility, and incredibly difficult to find you once you're lost in those conditions.

From "themen2": "Grow your size by 2 to 3 inches."

Have a great summer, will, maybe see ya at Seattle pub club. Best of luck (is luck the thing one would want here?! I don't know) with the book! That is very cool. jules

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Bibler single wall tents are great... the I-tent & El Dorado. The Tempest is good, too, but heavier. Slept (heh----sort of)in an El Dorado at Camp Schurman through a sleet/lightening/thunder storm, there was no leakage, condensation, or damage to the tent. The 2 door weighs about 5lbs. [ 04-08-2002: Message edited by: jules ]

quote: Originally posted by lizard brain: C'mon, dude, tell the truth! They offered you a job!!! They said "Dump the thread, and we'll give you a cush job in the climbing department, and all the reefer you can smoke to lower you IQ!" and you snapped it up. gawd, I love this site. Am I sick?

I actually had question relevant to the REI thread: one poster said that you can special order anything and it's dividendable, while another said that you can special order, but it's not dividendable and you have to pay a $25 fee for the special order. What's the scoop, yo? Jules?[/QB] sloth, I'll have to verify that. And I requested the original thread closed because I was hearing too much about it from the office. Go for it on this one, kay?!

Sorry to hear this news, specialed.

quote: Originally posted by allison: Dear Jules, What about when I went into the downtown Seattle REI and asked (in the Map Dept) for a map of the entire Alpine Lakes Wilderness, and she said, "I don't know that area, is that is Washington?" Come on, cry me a river!! WAAAHHHHHHH!!!! [ 04-04-2002: Message edited by: jules ]

quote: Originally posted by lizard brain: I asked for 68 inches of webbing. She didn't know how to figure out what that is in feet and inches. She had to get help. Ohmigod, I feel so sad right now.

quote: Originally posted by Al Pine: I have a question for you Jules. Perhaps you know nothing of this, but I have heard that REI has used its buying power to force gear manufacturers to not allow their gear to be sold at discount. Is there any truth in this? If so there must be some justification. What is it? If it is the truth it certainly goes against the original mission of the COOP. Hey, Al,there is no truth to that. There is truth in that MANY manufacturers/vendors will not allow REI to even carry their gear due to our co-op (read, "discounting") basis for doing business. This might also respond to some of the other comments about the company moving away from the co-op structure. It's less REI's choice, more about manufacturer's saying "no go, you are discounters." This applies to several areas of our business, not just climbing.

quote: Originally posted by lizard brain: They refused to sell it to me until I told them what I wanted it for. They said they had to verify that I was buying it for "appropriate" use. [ 04-03-2002: Message edited by: lizard brain ] Doesn't even matter what it was you were looking to buy.... that's just WRONG. Excuse me what?! "Refused to sell it"?! Whoa... whoa.... I'm feeling dizzy......