Dru

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Dru - I thought Giardi had an incubation time of like 9-21 days. Maybe he'd already been infected from a previous trip or got some kind of bacterial or amoeba thing. Well - we had been drinking out of that creek, and nothing else, for like 2 months and then one day he got sick. So whether it took 6 hrs or 21 days is a moot point. I didnt get sick so I guess Im a carrier Anybody want some gorp

I don't use a filter, or treat water, but I wouldn't drink out of the Crooked River at Smiff either. I drink tap water. Statistically, one person can drink water with minimal chance or getting sick, but if thousands drink that water, 10 or so are gonna get sick. Its like playing the lottery except chances are, you will win. But it sux to lose. The higher the fresher thing only applies in that there is less source area above to source contaminate. But high is not necessarily safe. Local factors, like someone who just came back from Nepal taking a dump at a campsite 1km upstream, take a greater role in determining infection. I know from water tests I have done that fecal colifom loads in typical below treeline BC stream water are generally in the 1-5 bacterial count, but randomly spike up to 1000 level counts in a small proportion of samples. Where there's fecal coliform, there's potential for disease, and giardia and crypto counts usually, but not always, follow the same trend. I would assume many alpine areas in WA to have a slightly higher count due to their greater use, eg Snow Creek or the creek near W side of Lib Bell probably has a higher coliform count than Tretheway Creek at the head of Harrison Lake does.

Now that I took the acid I remember when there were no dinousaurs. Some hotshot fish grew legs and sent the sit start to Pangaea from the bottom of the ocean floor.

So if I wanna buy a 68L Rubbermaid tote, should I pay $7.99 at London Drugs, or $5.95 for the same product at WalMart?

Therre is no such thing as "safe" water. There is only varying degree of risk. You decide what is acceptable, or whether you will drink untreated water from a creek that dozens of dogs are taken for hikes next to every day.

Where is the GPS record and 3 witnesses for this claim?

Yes it was lab confirmed. The case I witnessed was source: Sukunka River near Chetwynd BC. Onset time: about 6 hours. Debilitated time: 2 weeks. Weight lost: 20 lbs. Health officer for Hope, BC has told me of confirmed cases from drinking out of a creek near Boston Bar, BC. The swimming pool figure you quoted sounds far beyond bogus to me. The pool would have to be non-chlorinated and breeding giardia big time like if you went away for a few moinths and your pool filled up with rainwater and a neighbours dog crapped in it. 90% of the dogs tested in a random sample (of size: about 65 dogs), tested positive for giardia IIRC, in a test done in 1997 in Boulder. Co. ~40% of humans are "carriers": they can be infected by the giardia parasite, pass on cysts in their feces, but never develop symptoms. If you are a "carrier" i wonder why you would bother to buy a filter? Your source website there seems pretty pro: drinking untreated water outdoors and anti: drinking municipal water. I prefer not to be swayed by ideology There is no giardia in beer

June 15. St Vitus Day. His bones were supposed to be able to cure St Vitus' Dance, a sort of violent chorea. His nurse Crescentia, who supposedly converted him to Christianity, seems an emblem of the Moon goddess, the crescent moon, and his name ('life' in Latin) indicates that he too is a spurious saint. He was especially venerated in Westphalia, where bones said to be his had rested since the ninth century AD., though his legend assigned him to the time of Diocletian, six hundred years earlier. Anybody do St Vitus Dance on the Apron today

choss is the new alpinism Bobbi Bensman and Alan Lester are planning to restart their languishing careers as "Hot Flashes" whores by ascending new routes on the inner crater rim of Mt St Helens next month Sharma has traded in his slippers and bouldering mat for a nut tool, trowel, and 6 long slings for slinging bushes.... and word is dAve Graham has been seen sporting a helmet and trundle bar

I know ppl who have got giardia. It isnt pretty when they are puking out mouth and ass at same time. The chances are pretty low but its more of a factor when say 100, 000 people drink untreated municipal water than when one person drinks out of an alpine creek. Ditto crypto, which is what killed all the folks in North Battleford, Sask. Generally though crypto is only a health hazard if your immune system is depressed like if you just had surgery or have HIV or are an infant or elderly or whatever. It kills the weak and helpless, mainly.

jordop, dberdinka and I went to Lillooet last night. Got up at 3:45 AM this morning. Started climbiong up Cayoosh Wall at 6AM. Topped out near 11:00 AM. Back to the truck at 1:15 PM. We climbed 4 or 5 pitches of 5th class rock (1.5 solid and 2.5 choss) and innumerable pitches (2000') more or less of 3rd class, 4th class, and 5.dirt. Parts of this route had been previously climbed by goats to judge by the evidence. Our route could have been much more harder and much more chestbeatworthy but darin and jordan managed to routefind us away from all the steep, loose upper walls and onto a treed ridge when they were in the lead Good times. We called our presumably new route "The Further Adventures of Trogdor The Burninator" after a Strong Bad email classic cartoon (see here) and it is Grade III 5.7 "Dee-Zero" (d for dirt) Potential sponsors may send free stuff to my PO box

The new Olympus 300 series is super small, 3.2 megs, 3x optical zoom (equiv of 35-105mm on film camera), and weather resistant, one of the only digitals with latter feature which is nice for those stormy climbing days.

save those pins and place em on a new route

Huh? Bishop who? Searl???

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prob'ly the same way I found the giant squid and fern found the rabbit that balances vegetables on its head

shouldnt this thread be called just for Beckey i hear at his last slideshow there were a flock of 65 yr old groupies all over the man

flying over to do a recon is aid

drink coffee do laundry first time home in a week!!! and shaun is busy fixing his truck and doesnt wanna go to secret crag in the rain xcept its not raining but im gonna go to lillooet tomorrow, really

OMFG I have never heard of anyone actually ADMITTING they had a Rat Tail before isnt that the hair style trailer trash moms give their 6 year old kids to match their kiddie Metallica wifebeater and sweatpants