wdietsch

qb] At the lower saddle in the Tetons --now that the shitter-with-a-view has been removed-- I predict that people will more often leave their shit rather than carry it out in the Reststop2 bags.[/QB] I certainly hope not. I was there last week and had no problem using the reststop2 unit. On the same platform as the "normal" shitter the rangers have a stool similar to what you would find in an out house with a toliet seat mounted to it. Taking the reststop2 and fastening the unit like you would a standard garbage bag into a garbage can, rolling the end of the bag around the lip of the toliet seat and pulling on the draw strings, works well. When finished seal it up and pack it out. I found this to be much "cleaner" than the blue bag routine, and as the ranger will point out they can be used more than once, unless of course you are Trask and live on horsecock, CheezWhiz and Stout(messy). Personally I think they should do away with the crappers @ the lower saddle permanantly and instate a system such as this for good. The reststop2 is currently mandatory at the lower saddle and optional at all lower camps. Personally I feel hikers and climbers in the lower sites should adapate this or a similar system as well. The waste problems will only continue to grow unless we are proactive as a "community" to offset it. ps ... last week the weather was awesome and the view from the "stool", although a bit "airy" is very cool

quote: Originally posted by alienPDX: help me avoid the crowds over Labor Day! Avoiding Crowds, even in the Goat Rocks, on Labor Day weekend will be difficlut. I would suggest not going to Suprise Lake, Snowgrass Flats or McCall Basin. McCall Basin actuallly might not be too bad if you are the first ones there and grab the big main camping spot. It does put you in a nice position to hike up Old Snowy and Ives both easily done together in a day. The basin also has good access to water. I would go in Thursday night or VERY early Friday morning in order to get their first. Coming in from the east Warm Lake or the area immediately north of the Meade Glacier moraine are great places to camp, off the beaten path with easy scrambling up Curtis Gilbert, but you will definately be putting up with people and horses (and cows in Conrad Meadows) during the hike in and out. And then there is also the high traverse from Bear Creek thru the Devils Horns .....If you want more beta send me a PM Wes

quote: Originally posted by Terminal Gravity: But my worst experience was with this little fucker with the avatar name of "RED" from Yakima (I think) his real name is Brian Green. TG word up ... sorry I missed you last week at the brewer's fest .... Yoa .... Mr. "RED" or should we say "redneck" ... I, having been a Yakima resident for the better part of 20 years, take personal offense to you fucking up even more so for screwing with by friend, TG .... perhaps we should send Cavey and Lambone over for a "visit" to your mama's house ... pay up bitch!! I have had limited but good experiences with the yard sale .... bought a 40cm X-15 Hammer from Paul Detrich up in Ephata and swapped Mystic Nacho some older double boots for brew (yet to be consumed when ever I get my ass up to a "Greater Puget Sound CC.com Pub Club") I think it is a good thing .... really sucks when one person screws it up for the group

any update as to the location?

quote: Originally posted by iain: Is there any chance BD will ever make a straight tool again rather than all this modern art curvy bullshit? Whatever happened to the prophets? discontinued ... but you can still buy the staight shafts off BD'd website for $139.00

So richard noggin, are you willing to sell (2) 8.5 x 60m, dry 1/2 ropes for $164, tax (shipping) included? If so perhaps on my next biz trip up north I will be checking in with you. Don't get me wrong, I agree that a good local shop has it's place. Down here in Portland I shop @ Climbaxe, US Outdoor Store, The Mountain Shop, Next Adventure and yes even the "Evil Empire" but I also order shit from Mountain Tools, Mountain Gear, Northern Mountian Supply, Campmor, Sierra TP ..... etc, etc...This whole internet thing is really no different from the mail order issue which started taking off in the mid/late seventy's... tax-no tax ... shipping cost... what if it does not fit..... As for shoes and clothes, if they don't fit send them back, pretty standard routine. IMO the Euro mfgr's trying to get gear into the US have been getting #$%@'d for a long time by our country's trade tarriffs. Ever travel up to Dru's neck of the woods and buy gear at MEC? Same story. Years ago you could buy (mail order) CM Lasers from MEC for $33 USD, ... not anymore. I have a pair of LaSportiva Nepal Tops I bought in Europe and payed $220. I can mail order them today at near the same price. Why would I pay US retail for them @ $350-375? You want to run me a deal on those as well? One thing that really burns my ass is BD telling someone like Barrbabes that they can't sell back into the US market. It is pretty clear BD tried to "buy" some European market share by dumping product at a low price and it boomeranged on them. It's very similar to the Camp-Chounard (now BD) connection ... why would I pay $12.00 for a BD LA when I can get a Camp LA for $6.00? They are made in the same facility in Italy. My point is that you and the shop owners are somewhat stuck in the middle between the price savy consumer and our current government regs and the US manufaturers/distrubution network. I do not doubt that you mean to serve your client well and I hope your shop prospers. Sincerely, Wes

Anyone been into the Goat Rocks in the last week or so? Particularly interested in access to Section 3 Lake and the Bear Creek Mountain trailhead, is the road snow free? [ 07-16-2002, 12:26 PM: Message edited by: wdietsch ]

The article I read mentioned that they were going to discountinue the Shriek (no great loss IMO) and the Viper would be positioned between the Cobra and the Rage. I'll stick with my old BP's and save my pennys for one of those "Subarus" trask is posting.

jhamaker ..... thanks

FWIW ....Apparently coming out this fall. The Rage will now be the "low end tool" http://www.neclimbs.com/wmr_pix/20020404/BD_Viper.jpg

I'll second the vote for gearexpress.com. Great prices with a great selection. Climbaxe.com website is also a good deal however I personally find the selection somewhat limted. if you are in the Portland area you are better off making a trip to their retail shop. Another shop similar to Climbaxe is Acmeclibing.com, they both specialize in euorpean gear. Acme carries alot of Lanex ropes (real good buy), Rock Empire harnesses and cams, Faders biners and check out the CM Quark "knock-offs" (Demon Pro)made by Raveltik out of Poland for $160

quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: There is one also like that at the Yakima Firing Center. that one's more like a 32C maybe even a "B", however many large breasted "toothless wonders" can be found just south of Union Gap

quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: The best gear is a fat green one and a Guinness Stout. All the rest is hemp rope and hobnails and it dont matter. I'll second that motion .....

I believe they are made by Rock Empire btw... Acme has a great deal on Lanex twin and half ropes ..... $156 of a pair of 7.8mm twins or $160 for a pair of 8.5mm half's .. both 60M [ 07-03-2002, 11:58 PM: Message edited by: wdietsch ]

quote: Originally posted by erik: and all cars in general. Hey erik, That big bad chevy of yours give'n you problems? ... Should have opted for the Ford ....

thru the years I have had (or still have) several types, MSR, Svea, Coleman, Bluet .... anyone have any experience with Markill stoves? In particular the Hot Rod Ti.

Leif-Norman Patterson Jim Madsen

Leigh Ortenburger Paul Petzolt

Alan Rouse?

quote: Originally posted by Greg W:

quote: Originally posted by Dru: Maybe they will rename it Peace Pipe and have a giant bowl on the Canadian side and mouth piece on the American side? and then paint it black as eric suggests, while serving "goats head soup" of course [ 06-07-2002, 07:52 PM: Message edited by: wdietsch ]

City of Rocks is great right now. I was there 3 weeks ago, had a blast with outstanding weather (actually a little cool in the mornings) and no crowds. Ditto on the points made above, you can chase the sun all day long and it will definaltely be getting hotter. Make sure you have at least 1 60m rope

I would love to join in on the fun however I am headed to Spokane this afternoon with a short side trip to Horsethief Butte for some boulderin'

Cleve Joiner - memeber of one of the rope teams climbing with his 14 year old son. Cleve was on a fourth rope team that DID NOT go into the "shrund" however his son was in the 3rd team rope team of 2 "having difficulty", rope team of 3 another rope team of 3 above the shrund ..... team of 2 "lost their footing" and took out the next two teams .. eight climbers total went in his son is okay

http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_0529_news_mountain_rescue.65435ef.html 2 male German students from OSU along with a gal from Lebanon, OR and a female friend from Germany