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little bit of a thread creep ..... Along the lines of a Betamid, has anyone used the Integral Designs Silshelter? At 16.5 oz's it's half the weight of the Betamid.

the original X-15's were actually mfg'd by Chouinard just prior to the employee buyout. These units as well as the first BD X-15's had absolutely no "bonded rubber" on the shafts. The shaft material was the same carbon fiber/aluminum composite used in the Chouinard Zero-X and the older blue handled north wall hammers and axes. A year or two after the buyout came the BRS models (bonded rubber shaft). When BD introduced the Black Prophet they also gave the X-15 a face lift and went away from the original carbon fiber/aluminum composite shaft to a less expensive aluminum shaft with only rubber grip. The carbon fiber/aluminum was reserved for the BP. These were produced first with red paint and than orange paint ... enter the Shrikes I'd say for the price, if they are indeed new and unused it's not to bad of a deal ... I am sure if you wanted to spend more time shopping the various sorces suggested you might save a few bucks ... I'd say the big advantage is, as mentioned above, you can still get replacement picks

so how the hell did you know that?

I pretty much feel the same, when someone tells me they "did the Ptarmigan", I always follow-up with "how much of it" ... to me doing the traverse implies following as close as possible the route of the original group and doing some real climbing. Not to detrack from the physical accomplishment and effort of other ............ going light and doing "The Ptarmigan Trek" is very feasible in 24 hrs. Call me anal if you wish

we can take up a collection and ship it to ya'

strickland ... look what you started .... good to hear from you ... TG and I were starting to think you had gotten eatin' by some giant Georgia peach or something .... rock on bro'

hidden in the trees on the slopes ............ avalanche control .... they used to have a sign at the trailhead showing an unexploded shell ...

I was refering to the "Prowire" not the newer "Wirelock" ..... Wirelock are IMO VERY expensive ... around $10.50 MRSP ... Prowire retail for around $8.00 ... about $0.50 more than Neutrinos

happy to here you made it down with no seroius injurys .... she's not going anywhere ... I'm sure you'll be back

what do you think we climbed in before plastic?

LMAO !!!!! Tim/Jon .... please give us the laughing graemlin

I think you are refering to the DMM ProWire ... great biner ... a little more spendy than the Neutrino but IMHO worth .... more internal working space .... just a light (36g) and easy to clip ... check them out if you havn't already

regardless of what anyone tells you .... I'd be going now matter what ... weather looks good ..... freezing levels around 8500 to 9000 ... if I didn't have so much "shit on my plate" I'd be hitting the Elliot headwall tommorrow ...........

you aren't kidding .... 3750 cu @ 6 lbs 14 oz ... for climbing it would be a piece of shit ... rafters and canoist (sp?) might like it

he can't be ... after all the flowers he killed at willstrickland's place by spewing acid-barf on them

given the basics I am sure Olympia/Locke could attempt to ignore anything they really wanted to. In your senario I think it comes down to what would ultimatly be less popular ? re-instating licesne fees and asking people to cough up $100's for each rig they own ... keeping in mind that +7% of the state population is unemployed and many, many others are getting squeezed to the max to make ends meet ..... or.... tell the teachers and students that for at least for the next year or two they need to do with what they had last year ...

your dating yourself there Jason, "Off Belay" isn't that obscure for those of us that started climbing in the '70's .... I still have a couple dozens issues in the archives ... you should check out some of the late Paul Boving's comical artwork

although I did not vote for Locke and I dislike most of his politics .. I can't say that I am totally against the wage freeze given the current economic outlook ... a wage freeze would be better than taking a wage cut or getting laid off like a lot of others have had to deal with ........ and as for the whole "class size" thing .... when I was in attending WA state grade schools most classes were anywhere from 28 to 34 kids ... for the most part we all turned out ok .... I may not be a brain surgeon but I'm not standing in the welfare line .. now I am not saying that teachers are underpaid ... that is a different subject, my dad is a retired WA state school teacher ... I grew up with 4 siblings .. I know how tight things can be ... as for overturning Eyman's initiative, I am assuming that you are refering to the one regarding vehicle licensing fees .... screw that, times are tuff and moneys tight, besides down here in Clark County voters within the Vancouver School District have approved levys' every years since 1964

what? ..... you mean you didn't do Drury Falls "leashless" !! .... what's up with that? ...... well shiitt .... that changes everything ....

Eric your too funny ... been down this way to visit Granny lately? ps ..... bring back the laughing smiley dude graemlin

great read .... here is the full link Loren and Dave .... nice job .... and Adam (grande heuvos)

by the way ..... what the hell is a "Urbanica"? Is that anything like a harmonica you can smoke herb with?

I'd say they were worth more than $65 (posted high bid), ... hell, a couple of years ago I sold one old Lowe Hummingbird with extra picks on ebay and got $45 it

washed down with cold coffee no doubt

This newer version of the Robo is far better than the original. I had one of the old ones (I traded TG for beer) they sucked, the hypalon wrist support was BS. For waterfall I like the newer one, they are much more comfortable and easier to get in and out of, but have many of the same issues and yes I use them on old BP's. For me ... if BD moved the shaft loop up a couple of inches they would be perfect ... enough freedom to grab/mantle on the top of the tool and still eliminate leverage .... looking at the Yates Hand Cuff design but you have still issues. Like Ian for alpine I prefer a slider, I use them setup long and do the "old school" wrap around the shaft. My favorite is an old one made by JRAT (remember them) which has a full strength biner loop just above your wrist