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Shorts over polypro should not be worn by people insecure about their climbing ability. Discuss.

Did Beck get Dru's password??!!!

No wonder they didn't want to go to war with Iraq! This proves that those French have been in cahoots with Sadam all along!!!!! Two words: smoking gun

Sorry buddy. You remind me of a whiny child griping about his sister getting to stay up 10 minutes longer than him.

I think there was a post on that a while ago. It could be because you didn't follow the instructions carefully. You need to have the subject line be "Suggestion Box". Jon gets a shitload of spam and so he sorts by subject. If you don't put Suggestion Box in the title, there's a good chance he won't find it. If you did follow the instructions, then well . I hope it was a learning experience for you, and helped distill your true thoughts and feelings .

Hey Robbob, I'm sorry that you feel wronged by the mods in that they changed the category under which this "climbing" thread is stored. Perhaps you should see if something can be done about it. Please refer to thememo from Jon. Perhaps you missed it before. Here is the relevant part reprinted.

Great job Telemarker! That looks really nice. You mentioned how it was never harder than 5.8/9. How often was it 5.8/9; that is, how sustained was it at that grade? What was the average grade?

The Golden Harvest in Vantage has always been good to me (close sorta early though). Excellent pie! There's another place (E-burg?) right on the freeway (north side), the "Bar-S" or something with "Bar" in the name . Anyway, they give you your own personal thermos when you order coffee. Prtty good if you're beat and not looking forward to fending off sleep driving over the pass.

When the driver is doing some tight manuevering near obstacles, you can slam your arm into the door to make a loud thunk. Back in high school I worked at this restaurant. The guys in the restaraunt next door liked to taunt my buddy the dishwasher. They lured him out into the back alley with a promise of food or something, and enlisted the bread delivery guy to lock the door behind my friend once he was out the door. Then the next door guys pelted him mercilessly with eggs, and he couldn't get away. So anyway, he was beaten and depressed, and wanted to go home, but I convinced him we needed to get even by starting to fill up this huge chowder pot. When more choice ingredients kept going in: greasy chowder, old food from the bus tubs, assorted veggies, tabasco, etc.., my buddy brightened up. We climbed up on the roof, and were going to wait until someone came out the back door. This gas-station attendant nearby saw us and must have figured out what we were planning (he probably witnessed the egg pelting) and started throwing rocks at the back door. Sure enough, someone came out to see what the racket was and we doused him. The first wave splashed in front of him, but the next covered him. Apparently when he went home to change he found a tomato in his underwear. Ah...high school.

Selected rebuttals: "Condorphamine has 2-3 bolts too many [...]" Per pitch or per stance? "Sickle Crack at Index. Too short and the traversing bit is annoying." Just continue up blockbuster then the trough up to the classic 5.6 Pisces crack and you've got a classic pitch.

"Elevator's closed. Use the stairs." "The more people drive, the less intelligent they are. That's why I ride the bus."

Something screwy's up with the gallery. It looks like a lot (all?) of the medium sized pix got expunged or moved or something. Unfortunately, the way the post TR function works it automatically puts the medium-sized pix into the TR's (I think). Anyway, to find those pictures you can go to skyclimb's member gallery ( link) and look through the thumbnails and find the shots. It's a pain to find the member galleries too! Oh well. If in the future you find a TR with missing pix like this you can also get the URL of the picture (right click on the little red X's) and remove the "med" from the name which, I think, will get the URL of the giant picture (which still exists).

Where would you take a visiting climber to showcase your local area? On a day trip? For a weekend? Day Trip --------- Index - either Lower Wall Circuit (GM-HOC + Godzilla->Sloe Children, Thin Fingers), or Davis-Holland. Upper Wall has the views that would be important to show off your area. D-Town - It'd be a hard decision between Dreamer or day on Exfo-Dome climbs (2 out of Jacob's Ladder, Rain-Man, Dark-Rhythm, maybe top out if they wanted to bag a summit). Great views on these, and either characteristic WA jungle or the granite sidewalk for great approaches. Static Point- WA jungle, old growth, then beautiful view climbs (Fuddhat or maybe Shock Treatment, Lost Charms thrown in if time). Tooth! (if time was quite short) Vesper N Face Columbia Peak for an incredible view hike Weekend ------- Shuksan- Fisher Chimneys, easy, but not too easy with awesome and continually changing views. Forbidden - if we could get a pass Washington Pass - just about anything NR Stuart(w Gendarme) (long weekend) Note I've left out L'worth, just not enough views, though Castle Rock is tough to beat for moderate cragging with history.

Infinite Bliss is not terrible, but certainly does not live up to its name. West Ridge of Thomson is also one that does not live up to the hype.

Here's a fun story by a good writer: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/041021

Usually at sales, they say something like, "sale prices limited to stock on hand". So since that was probably the case, you're SOL for rightfully getting a non-sale one without paying the extra 30$.

The reason REI still has their "satisfaction guaranteed" policy is because it makes them money. It helps them make money by pushing people over the edge when deciding whether to buy REI stuff. Like, for example, you are thinking about buying this jacket see. It might be too small, but it might work out fine. It's difficult to tell when in the store. Happy REI serviceperson comes up and says, "If you're not sure whether it's the right size, why don't you just take it home and use if for a while? You can see if it will work for you. Then if it just doesn't work, you can just bring it back, SATISFACTION GUARANTEED!" This tactic gets a lot of merchandise out of the store, much of which does not come back. So...with respect to the original question, if something happened like my above scenario, even if the salesperson didn't come into the equation (e.g., you were persuaded to give the weird size a try because you were aware of the option to bring the jacket back), then I say take it back, no shame. That's why REI still offers its SG service. REI is selling this SG option. It adds value to the REI product. I don't see why you can't use it. If you just bought it thinking you'd use it for a while then scam your money back, then maybe you should just consider for a bit how much your honor is worth to you before engaging in said scam.

Palisade in Magnolia will work for both requests. It's over in Magnolia, so the view is of downtown Seattle (which will be OK even if crappy weather). If the weather is nice, you get a big Rainier view too. Anthony's is a good "drink with a view" suggestion as long as the weather is good enough to be able to see the Olympics (and it's not nightime ).

There's not comment because all the damn liberals here sit on their hands when a conservative commentator does something they agree with.

How do you guys feel about the rap-anchor bolts on the summit of Prussik? Placed there for people not up to the task of downclimbing the summit block pitch. Do they belong?

Perfect weekend to do Dreamer!

US soldiers may have refused orders to go on what they deemed a suicide mission: link Does this happen all the time and the biased media are just reporting it and making it sound like a new thing, or is this quite unusual? Anybody know?

Sounds like it makes sense to me. If you think noone will pay those prices, then yes, it does seem funny. However, if they can get people to pay that much, why not?

I saved a bunch of weight on a couple trips this year by not bringing rock shoes. I used my tight-fitting Cinder Cones. They're not optimal on the hike in or on the hard climbing, but they work, and they're just right for med-hard ground, and especially great for climbs when you're frequently transitioning between rock and non-rock (snow, pine-needles, heather). I find less-weight to be especially critical when it's weight you need to carry while on the climb. Not having to carry boots or shoes in your pack while climbing rules! Whiskey, not beer. Carefully think about where you can get water. Carrying an extra liter of water is an unwieldy 2 lbs heavier than you need to be. I got the Serratus Genie too, it's great. I was just out yesterday though and noted that it had a little key-clippy thing in the flap pocket. Extra 3 grams!! Time for that to go. Also this super-light Wild-Things windshirt. It's especially good because you can shove into a large pants pocket on a long climb and not need a pack. Pants with zip-off legs save a little bit of weight, and allow you to transition between long and short pants easily in the middle of a climb. Plus you don't need a pack to carry just the pant sleeves (nest them inside each other and clip 'em in somewhere, or stow them in a pocket).