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  1. This discussion is supposed to be "compare and contrast Iraq and Vietnam". I don't see how delving into the threat that Iran poses makes sense. Unless of course you are implying that Iran and North Korea were much greater threats to our security than Iraq ever was. From which it would follow that you are saying that the justifications we used to enter into this Iraq conflict were flimsy at best. From which stance you could make a good point about the similarity of this war to the Vietnam conflict.
  2. chucK

    Tax Reform

    Oh and BTW, I've changed my tune on the flat tax. I think it's a great idea as long as the standard deduction is 50-100K dollars. So, that is, flat tax on all earnings over standard deduction.
  3. chucK

    Tax Reform

    How can those figures be correct? How can 15% sales tax take the place of revenues garnered from a 25% (and higher on rich people) income tax?
  4. Should we allow nuclear proliferation to occur? Your premise was that they weren't more dangerous.
  5. How can you consider it broken?? Before we arrived it was a horrible place to live with genocide taking place everywhere you looked. Uday and Qusay froliced in their rape rooms on top of sacred ancient mass burial grounds. No Iraqi was left untouched! On top of that they were a danger to the security of every single person in the USA. How can you consider it broken??! Don't you think Iraq is a better place without Saddam?
  6. That an easy one. If they aren't more dangerous, then we certainly shouldn't invade them.
  7. I thought you wanted to stay the course? If I thought there was a good way out, I wouldn't call it "no-win" now would I?
  8. I don't think Iraq or Vietnam are situations where the people want to "take down the big dog". I think it's more like they want to kick the shit out of that big dog that's shitting all over their furniture and having their children for snacks. It's a no-win situation. If we continue to get our asses kicked over there that will, of course, suck. If we somehow win (at obviously great cost as we have already paid a great price) it may ring hollow, as a "victory" will embolden "our" leaders to move on to the next nation-state that needs to be disciplined. Although, I could be wrong about the second part. I don't really think Bush had the safety and security of the world in mind when he "rushed to war" against Iraq. Thus, I don't think it would be a given that he would move as recklessly against other nations as he did in Iraq, even though they are arguably as or more dangerous than Iraq ever was. Finally here's distressing tidbit from the news today reminiscent of Vietnam days.
  9. Here's some good news from Iraq for all you Kool-Aid peddlers
  10. Driving to and from Index yesterday I heard two very powerful pieces on the radio relating to veterans of this Iraq war. I found today that they are both available on the internet. Dave Ross talks to local man who lost his nephew recently in Fallujah That link might be funky. If so you can find it linked on the KIRO 710 am website. Families Share Soldiers' 'Last Letters Home' These were two very powerful and believable pieces. I'd be very surprised if even you pro-war guys would listen to them and call them propaganda. I think all you pro-war guys should listen to both of these pieces to at least get a visceral feel for the magnitude of the sacrifice you are asking young americans to make.
  11. Who's heading up to Index today? I'll be up there around 11:45 or so (truck that sorta looks like this -> ). Should be other cc.commies up there too if the hastily arranged post-pub-club plan falls together. See you there! Lower Town Wall probably, slight chance of Private Idaho.
  12. So? You're losing me again here Kakslskfjlj(?) Again with the analogies to WWII. Why does your implication that Normandy was a bad move justify invading Iraq in 2004?
  13. chucK

    The Other Side

    So are we looking now at the "darkness before dawn"? Or do you not even concede that things seem pretty bad at the moment?
  14. I agree with your "War is Hell" statement, and I might buy into your belief that our wars are cleaner than they used to be. However, your implication that our elective invasion of Iraq resulting in 10,000 US casualties and 100,000 Iraqi deaths, is justified because everybody knows war is hell and at least we took more than two days to kill 80,000 civilians, doesn't do it for me. Sorry.
  15. I don't see your point. Do you have some logic that will impugn sympathizers of the Iraqi people today on the basis of how people would have felt 60 years ago about a bombing raid that killed 80K+ civillians? If so let's hear it.
  16. Hmmm... I didn't even consider the possibility that the girl blogger was complete and utter propaganda! I guess that could be the case. The thing that struck me so much about her stories is not so much the anti-US stuff, but the picture that it paints of how horrible it must be to be living in Iraq (Bagdad at least) right now. That sentiment is definitely echoed in a few of JayB's linked blogs too, though the blame for the nightmarish situation is placed elsewhere. Thanks for providing those "alternate" links JayB .
  17. "I don’t offer solutions because I didn’t start this war. Like millions of other Americans, I actively opposed Bush’s War. Partisan conservatives demonized us as “unpatriotic” and “peaceniks” and "hippies" without ever listening to our message. It’s helpful to remember that every bad thing the anti-Bush War people predicted has happened, while everything the neo-conservatives promised has failed to materialize. I didn’t shit the bed so I have no obligation to clean it up or sleep in it." link
  18. "Wednesday, November 10, 2004 "Rule of Iraq Assassins Must End... I'm not feeling well- it's a combination of the change of weather and the decline in the situation. Eid is less than a week away but no one is feeling at all festive. We're all worried about the situation in Falloojeh and surrounding regions. We've ceased worrying about the explosions in Baghdad and are now concerned with the people who have left their homes and valuables and are living off of the charity of others. Allawi declared a "State of Emergency" a couple of days ago... A state of emergency *now* - because previous to this week, we Iraqis were living in an American made Utopia, as the world is well aware. So what does an "Emergency State" signify for Iraqis? Basically, it means we are now *officially* more prone to being detained, raided, and just generally abused by our new Iraqi forces and American ones. Today they declared a curfew on Baghdad after 10 p.m. but it hasn't really made an impact because people have stopped leaving their houses after dark anyway. The last few days have been tense and heart-rending. Most of us are really worried about Falloojeh. Really worried about Falloojeh and all the innocents dying and dead in that city. There were several explosions in Baghdad these last few days and hardly any of them were covered by the press. All this chaos has somehow become uncomfortably normal. Two years ago I never would have dreamed of living like this- now this lifestyle has become the norm and I can barely remembering having lived any other way. My cousin kept the kids home from school, which is happening quite often. One of the explosions today was so close, the house rocked with the impact and my cousin's wife paled, "Can you imagine if the girls had been at school when that happened- I would have died." Dozens of civilians have died these last few days in Ramadi, Falloojeh, and Samarra. We are hearing about complete families being killed under the rain of bombs being dropped by American forces. The phone lines in those areas seem to be cut off. We've been trying to call some relatives in Ramadi for the last two days, but it's next to impossible. We keep getting that dreadful busy tone and there's just no real way of knowing what is going on in there. There is talk of the use of cluster bombs and other forbidden weaponry. We're hearing various stories about the situation. The latest is that 36 American troops have been taken prisoner along with dozens of Iraqi troops. How do people feel about the Iraqi troops? There's a certain rage. It's difficult to sympathize with a fellow-countryman while he's killing one of his own. People generally call them "Dogs of Occupation" here because instead of guarding our borders or securing areas, they are used to secure American forces. They drive out in front of American cars in order to clear the roads and possibly detonate some of those road mines at a decent distance from the American tanks. At the end of the day, most of them are the remnants of militias and that's the way they act. And now they are being used in Falloojeh against other Iraqis. The whole situation is making me sick and there's a fury building up. The families in Falloojeh have been relegated to living in strange homes and mosques outside of the city... many of them are setting up their families inside of emptied schools and municipal buildings in Samarra and neighboring areas. Every time I see Allawi on tv talking about his regrets about 'having to attack Falloojeh' I get so angry I could scream. He's talking to the outside world, not to us. Iraqis don't buy his crap for a instant. We watch him talk and feel furious and frustrated with our new tyrant. I was watching CNN this morning and I couldn't get the image of the hospital in Falloojeh being stormed by Iraqi and American troops out of my head- the Iraqis being made to lay face-down on the ground, hands behind their backs. Young men and old men... and then the pictures of Abu Ghraib replay themselves in my mind. I think people would rather die than be taken prisoner by the Americans. The borders with Syria and Jordan are also closed and many of the highways leading to the borders have been blocked. There are rumors that there are currently 100 cars ready to detonate in Mosul, being driven by suicide bombers looking for American convoys. So what happens when Mosul turns into another Falloojeh? Will they also bomb it to the ground? I heard a report where they mentioned that Zarqawi 'had probably escaped from Falloojeh'... so where is he now? Mosul? Meanwhile, Rumsfeld is making his asinine remarks again, "There aren't going to be large numbers of civilians killed and certainly not by U.S. forces," No- there are only an 'estimated' 100,000 civilians in Falloojeh (and these are American estimations). So far, boys and men between the ages of 16 and 60 aren't being counted as 'civilians' in Falloojeh. They are being rounded up and taken away. And, *of course* the US forces aren't going to be doing the killing: The bombs being dropped on Falloojeh don't contain explosives, depleted uranium or anything harmful- they contain laughing gas- that would, of course, explain Rumsfeld's idiotic optimism about not killing civilians in Falloojeh. Also, being a 'civilian' is a relative thing in a country occupied by Americans. You're only a civilian if you're on their side. If you translate for them, or serve them food in the Green Zone, or wipe their floors- you're an innocent civilian. Everyone else is an insurgent, unless they can get a job as a 'civilian'. So this is how Bush kicks off his second term. More bloodshed. "Innocent civilians in that city have all the guidance they need as to how they can avoid getting into trouble," How do they do that Rumsfeld? While tons of explosives are being dropped upon your neighborhood, how do you do that? Do you stay inside the house and try to avoid the thousands of shards of glass that shoot out at you from shattering windows? Or do you hide under a table and hope that it's sturdy enough to keep the ceiling from crushing you? Or do you flee your house and pray to God you don't come face to face with an Apache or tank or that you aren't in the line of fire of a sniper? How do you avoid the cluster bombs and all the other horror being dealt out to the people of Falloojeh? There are a couple of things I agree with. The first is the following: "Over time you'll find that the process of tipping will take place, that more and more of the Iraqis will be angry about the fact that their innocent people are being killed..." He's right. It is going to have a decisive affect on Iraqi opinion- but just not the way he thinks. There was a time when pro-occupation Iraqis were able to say, "Let's give them a chance..." That time is over. Whenever someone says that lately, at best, they get a lot of nasty looks... often it's worse. A fight breaks out and a lot of yelling ensues... how can one condone occupation? How can one condone genocide? What about the mass graves of Falloojeh? Leaving Islam aside, how does one agree to allow the murder of fellow-Iraqis by the strongest military in the world? The second thing Rumsfeld said made me think he was reading my mind: "Rule of Iraq assassins must end..." I couldn't agree more: Get out Americans."
  19. "After he ate that cue ball, he sizes evertything first!"
  20. I think 'chelle is referring to "Glide" TM. It is dental floss produced by Gore (of -tex, not Al- ) It's the greatest for flossing of teeth. You won't go back to regular floss once you've tride Glide.
  21. Maybe you're talking about this??
  22. * bump * anybody wanna climb tomorrow? Index? or other as mentioned above?
  23. chucK

    4 more years of...

    Now that we got this "life begins at ..." thing sorted out, I thought I'd toss in another thing we're looking forward to four more years of... Bushisms. Today "I'll reach out to everyone who shares our goals," Maybe tomorrow he'll say, "I'm fully in agreement with all those who agree with me!"
  24. chucK

    Democrats Suck

    Dean is a much better choice in hindsight, than he was at the time. I doubt many here believed that Iraq was going to turn into the current quagmire. Dean was a one-issue guy basically. If Iraq would have stabilized he would have lost in a landslide. Hell, he probably would have lost in a landslide anyway.
  25. Anybody been up there lately? Is Green Giant Buttress snow/ice covered? Could a fun time climber Dreamer be had tomorrow? Anybody up for that? Or Infinite Bliss maybe? Thinking sunny climbs....is Static Point still open?
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