tvashtarkatena Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 This is predicted to pass by those who oppose it. Under it, women who have a miscarriage could be investigated and charged for negligence, manslaughter, or murder. No provision for rape or incest. Personhood Amendment in Mississippi Welcome to the New Christiandom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 What's Ron Paul's position on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 8, 2011 Author Share Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) They're voting on this today. Morning After Pill and some birth control pills = murder. REALLY hope it'll be defeated, but it's predicted to pass. Edited November 8, 2011 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 8, 2011 Author Share Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) Come 5:00 pm tonight, we might find ourselves living in a much more Middle Eastern style country. Chariah, here we come? Edited November 8, 2011 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 i can't think of any problem mississippi has that can't be solved by having more babies there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 8, 2011 Author Share Posted November 8, 2011 If it passes, the ACLU will immediately challenge it. If you think about it, such a draconian law is about as good as it gets for defending Roe V. Wade. With today's SCOTUS, though, there's no way to avoid the fairly substantial risk of losing that case, regardless of how awesome your legal team is. What happens next depends on how sweeping the SCOTUS decision is. There is no small chance that SCOTUS will choose to avoid the issue and kick in on back to the States (this would not be an inconsistent with 'originalism' after all), which means Ole Miss will remain under Charia, but the rest of the states can go their own way on the issue. If, however, SCOTUS agrees that personhood begins at conception...we are ALL FUCKED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 8, 2011 Author Share Posted November 8, 2011 An interesting discussion on when 'personhood' begins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 8, 2011 Author Share Posted November 8, 2011 It seems fairly obvious to me that the concept of 'personhood at conception' is entirely religiously based (it's certainly not based on any science of cognition or human development), and therefore a clear violation of the Establishment Clause. Fighting Kristian totalitarianism in this country, however, is no easy task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 It seems fairly obvious to me that the concept of 'personhood at conception' is entirely religiously based (it's certainly not based on any science of cognition or human development), and therefore a clear violation of the Establishment Clause. Fighting Kristian totalitarianism in this country, however, is no easy task. Personhood at concepton? Ha! You've lived more than 50 years and still haven't attained personhood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 maybe we can split the difference? one side get personhood starting at conception and the other gets corporations not being persons at all, no matter how many folks they fuck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Why not make the environment a legal person and let her sue for assault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Why not make the environment a legal person and let her sue for assault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 Defeated! Thank you, Mississippians! Well done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Good news! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Yeah, but it still looks bleak to me. They're just going to pepper more states with these sorts of initiatives until one finally passes. Meanwhile, the republicans have spent years stacking the deck at the supreme court, so as soon as one of these babies passes, things will get really scary. Still, I guess if any state would have passed it, it would have been Mississippi. So maybe things aren't so bleak, after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 takes alotta if's to make this story gloomy, and you know what they say about your aunt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) MS's initiative was (relatively) resoundingly defeated in what is probably the most religiously conservative state in the country. I'd say things are looking pretty good right now. It's OK to celebrate a win, ya know! The Kristians will keep trying...probably with more watered down proposals, and we'll have to keep kicking them back to the Middle Ages where they belong. There are many indications that Kooky Soshal Konservatism, in general, has already seen its high water mark and is in rapid decline. There isn't a strong indication that today's SCOTUS would have ruled in favor of personhood at conception...but ya don't want to go there if you don't have to, of course. Edited November 9, 2011 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 The great thing about I26 was that it showed the rest of the country, in no uncertain terms, just how far into the Krazy Zone the Kristians are willing to take our country. Mississippians responded with a nice, big, steaming mug of Shut The Fuck Up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 There isn't a strong indication that today's SCOTUS would have ruled in favor of personhood at conception...but ya don't want to go there if you don't have to, of course.I just can't see how the SCOTUS could logically rule in that direction either, if it ever came to that. When sperm meets ovum and fertilization takes place, is that life? Well, yeah, technically. The extreme beginning of it, at least. A helluva lotta other stuff still has to happen yet... But is it "personhood"? Hell no, it ain't. Why can't we all just leave Roe v. Wade alone, ferchrissakes!!?? Fuckin' fundie Kristian wankers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 Leave it to the Kristians to come up with the concept that a 'person' need not have a brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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