tvashtarkatena Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Has either AE or KKK even been to a Muslim country? If not, kindly STFU. You're ranting about shit you know fuck all about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 We are not talking about every individual in the Muslim world; we have to speak in generalities. Â You're speaking in cliches and pablum with a view narrowly centered on the Middle East - a minority of the Muslim population in the world. Â Muslims in subsaharan Africa and Indonesia engage in similarly brutal and intolerant practices. Your point? Â Indonesia? IME Indonesian muslims are more tolerant than the Hindus and Animists. Â East Timor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Has either AE or KKK even been to a Muslim country? If not, kindly STFU. You're ranting about shit you know fuck all about. Â You called that one Archie! Â Got any more 2nd hand knowledge for us know-it-all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 At least a woman can leave Italy if she wants. Unescorted by a male relative. Â so you don't know fuck all about Kazakhstan? It's ok, women are less likely to be sexually harassed there than Italy, have better job prospects, and can travel without a male relative! Â Nice mountains too No, I am not an expert on Kazakhstan. And I have not been there or to Italy. I don't know what any job prospects are in either country -- no one has ever called me with a job offer. But I believe the heart of your question was whether I would choose to live in a Muslim country or in a Catholic country. I would choose the later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Has either AE or KKK even been to a Muslim country? If not, kindly STFU. You're ranting about shit you know fuck all about. Â I've been to Canada. I guess that makes me an expert on Canadians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 But I believe the heart of your question was whether I would choose to live in a Muslim country or in a Catholic country. I would choose the later. Â No guarantee they'd stay open, tolerant, secular is there? I mean, they could start taking the Bible seriously too! Â Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 We are not talking about every individual in the Muslim world; we have to speak in generalities.  You're speaking in cliches and pablum with a view narrowly centered on the Middle East - a minority of the Muslim population in the world.  Muslims in subsaharan Africa and Indonesia engage in similarly brutal and intolerant practices. Your point?  Indonesia? IME Indonesian muslims are more tolerant than the Hindus and Animists.  East Timor  Isn't a part of Indonesia  And is predominantly Roman Catholic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 No, I am not an expert on Kazakhstan. And I have not been there or to Italy. I don't know what any job prospects are in either country -- no one has ever called me with a job offer. But I believe the heart of your question was whether I would choose to live in a Muslim country or in a Catholic country. I would choose the later. Â That sounds like a Jay_B simplification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 We are not talking about every individual in the Muslim world; we have to speak in generalities.  You're speaking in cliches and pablum with a view narrowly centered on the Middle East - a minority of the Muslim population in the world.  Muslims in subsaharan Africa and Indonesia engage in similarly brutal and intolerant practices. Your point?  Indonesia? IME Indonesian muslims are more tolerant than the Hindus and Animists.  East Timor  Isn't a part of Indonesia  And is predominantly Roman Catholic  East Timor Genocide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 Yes, what about it Kojak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 And there were Dutch killers, Japanese killers, Javanese killers and Balinese killers. Oh and the Lombok famine, and the East Asia Economic crisis when everyone picked on the ethnic Chinese ... way more to things in that region than simple religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Have you even been to East Timor, Hugh? NO? DIDN'T THINK SO! THEN YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 errr... I have rob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 O RLY? You must be an expert then! Â I've been to Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 No, I am not an expert on Kazakhstan. And I have not been there or to Italy. I don't know what any job prospects are in either country -- no one has ever called me with a job offer. But I believe the heart of your question was whether I would choose to live in a Muslim country or in a Catholic country. I would choose the later. Â That sounds like a Jay_B simplification I believe your question was rather simple. Â And my reasoning is simple -- I would not want to live in a Muslim country because I believe that Muslim women are treated like shit and that that treatment is institutionalized and acceptable. This is not due to the interpretation of the Koran, but rather, it is due to the implementation of it. I think Muslim women are pretty much fucked and I think that sucks. Simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I've been to Canada. Â I'm sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 No, I am not an expert on Kazakhstan. And I have not been there or to Italy. I don't know what any job prospects are in either country -- no one has ever called me with a job offer. But I believe the heart of your question was whether I would choose to live in a Muslim country or in a Catholic country. I would choose the later. Â That sounds like a Jay_B simplification I believe your question was rather simple. Â And my reasoning is simple -- I would not want to live in a Muslim country because I believe that Muslim women are treated like shit and that that treatment is institutionalized and acceptable. This is not due to the interpretation of the Koran, but rather, it is due to the implementation of it. I think Muslim women are pretty much fucked and I think that sucks. Simple as that. Â women are treated like shit pretty much everywhere outside of Western Europe, OZ + NZ and the US - with the exception of a number of the Med countries who treat women like shit too. I'm not female so I can't get into the merits of big steamer vs. Hershey squirts vs. deer droppings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Yes, there are a lot of places in the world where women do not yet have the benefits of legal protection, access to education, reproductive control, etc. But I honestly believe that in the areas that are not facing civil war and are not Muslim there is improvement. And as more people refuse to deal with (i.e. trade with, travel to, recognize) countries that don't show efforts to improve civil rights, the better it will continue to get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 If you say so. China, India, not much improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 In Italy, the women have the right to be HOT. Nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 If you say so. China, India, not much improvement. Â Are you saying Islam plays NO PART in any of the problems the middle east is experiencing? Religion is fucked, man, of course it has impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 bunga bunga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 If you say so. China, India, not much improvement.  Are you saying Islam plays NO PART in any of the problems the middle east is experiencing? Religion is fucked, man, of course it has impact.  I'm saying the Middle East isn't Islam  if we start blaming the jews too while Choada Boy join the pogrom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 If you say so. China, India, not much improvement.  Are you saying Islam plays NO PART in any of the problems the middle east is experiencing? Religion is fucked, man, of course it has impact.  I'm saying the Middle East isn't Islam  if we start blaming the jews too while Choada Boy join the pogrom?  No, the middle east is not islam. It's not Judaism, either. But there are obvioulsy signifigant religious issues contributing to the giant fuckball going on over there. And like western society, their society has unquestionably been influenced by their dominant religion, so it's fair to include Islam in any discussion of the middle east. Islam is undeniably a large part of middle eastern culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraysovereign Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I'm about 1/3 of the way through this book  It talks about a lot of the arguments raised in this thread, and argues that, if Islam had never existed, the same east-west tensions around the middle east would still exist. They might manifest themselves in different ways, but the basic conflict would still be there. In some ways things might be better; in some ways things might be worse: in general things would be much the same as they are now.  I only started reading it because I know the author, and was curious to see what his book was about. Now I'm looking forward to discussing it with him once I finish it.  So pick up a copy, read it, think about it, and then when you come up to Squamish for a climbing trip this summer I'll introduce you to Graham and you can argue with him about it over a pint at the Brew Pub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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