j_b Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) so you are acknowledging my point that Spokane didn't get the same coverage because it was different insofar it involved domestic terrorism. Edited January 25, 2011 by j_b Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 That's not what Tvash says when he talks about Nader. Yes, corporate control over America has WITHERED before Ralph's searing wind! Â Or...did his actions greatly accelerate that process? Â Hmmmmm....... Â deregulation, privatization, outsourcing and take over of the state by corporations have been as rapid under Democrats as they have under Republicans. Â Yes, if Gore had been elected, things would have turned out exactly the same...we know the 'argument'. With progressives, there's always a great big IF in there, somewhere. Â But Nader is last decade's news. How do you feel about Ron Paul, the proggressive's new political leader (now with the Nader seal of approval, as granted on FOX NEWS, no less!) Quote
Kimmo Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) so you are acknowledging my point that Spokane didn't get the same coverage because it was domestic terrorism. Â i'm a bit confused here. Â you said the spokane event did not get the same media attention as other events of a similar nature. Â To which I replied: WHICH events of a similar nature? Â Here is where you PROVIDE EXAMPLES! Â Â This shouldn't be so tough: can you provide examples? Edited January 25, 2011 by Kimmo Quote
j_b Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 are we really having this discussion? Â The events are similar insofar they involve the use of explosive devices for terrorist purpose, which is usually good enough to incite a media feeding frenzy. Â Â Quote
Kimmo Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 How do you feel about Ron Paul, the proggressive's new political leader (now with the Nader seal of approval, as granted on FOX NEWS, no less!) Â Â good point. Quote
Kimmo Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 are we really having this discussion? The events are similar insofar they involve the use of explosive devices for terrorist purpose, which is usually good enough to incite a media feeding frenzy.   WHICH events? Quote
j_b Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 deregulation, privatization, outsourcing and take over of the state by corporations have been as rapid under Democrats as they have under Republicans. Â Yes, if Gore had been elected, things would have turned out exactly the same...we know the 'argument'. With progressives, there's always a great big IF in there, somewhere. Â Hopefully Gore wouldn't gone to war in Iraq, torture, etc .. but who knows (how is Obama doing on this?). As far as deregulation, etc ... the record is clear that it is not really worse under the GOP than Democrats. Â But Nader is last decade's news. How do you feel about Ron Paul, the proggressive's new political leader (now with the Nader seal of approval, as granted on FOX NEWS, no less!) Â what nonsense. Quote
j_b Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Is Ron Paul pure enough? Â Paul is a wingnut. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Why is Ralph GUSHING over him, then, if he's not pure enough? Has Ralph gone wingnut, too? Quote
j_b Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 wtf are you talking about? anyway, don't try to intimate that if we agree with Nader on one thing we necessarily agree with Nader on everything forever. it's not the way it works among progressives. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Who represents (as in lawmakers) the progressives in America these days? Â That would be Ron Paul. Â Let's face it, the progressive ideas of Utopia, intolerance for human fallibility (COUNTERBALANCE!), need for instant (albeit unfulfilled) gratification, disdain for nearly every institution/organization in America, and eschewing the need for money (personally or as organizations) as a prerequisite for making change hasn't exactly been a winning formula for the movement. Â Not to worry: America expects little to nothing from its progressives, and America has not been disappointed in this regard. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) wtf are you talking about? anyway, don't try to intimate that if we agree with Nader on one thing we necessarily agree with Nader on everything forever. it's not the way it works among progressives. Â Kinda like good ole Joe Lieberman...checkmate. Â In the world of positive change, ya takes what you can get when you can get it. Edited January 25, 2011 by tvashtarkatena Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 BTW, that would be the very same Ron Paul that started the Tea Party movement in 2007. Quote
j_b Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Who represents (as in lawmakers) the progressives in America these days? Â That would be Ron Paul. Â You are either clueless or are trying to spread disinformation. Senator sanders, rep. kucinich and a few others represent progressives in AMerica today. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Who represents (as in lawmakers) the progressives in America these days? Â That would be Ron Paul. Â You are either clueless or are trying to spread disinformation. Senator sanders, rep. kucinich and a few others represent progressives in AMerica today. Â Kucinich couldn't be a real progressive; his wife is too hawt. Quote
j_b Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 wtf are you talking about? anyway, don't try to intimate that if we agree with Nader on one thing we necessarily agree with Nader on everything forever. it's not the way it works among progressives. Â Kinda like good ole Joe Lieberman...checkmate. Â In the world of positive change, ya takes what you can get when you can get it. Â one has to be fucking delusional to think that Lieberman's repeated betrayal of democratic constituencies was made all worthwhile because of his vote on DADT. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) Oops! Fact check! Â [video:youtube] Edited January 25, 2011 by tvashtarkatena Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) wtf are you talking about? anyway, don't try to intimate that if we agree with Nader on one thing we necessarily agree with Nader on everything forever. it's not the way it works among progressives. Â Kinda like good ole Joe Lieberman...checkmate. Â In the world of positive change, ya takes what you can get when you can get it. Â AND proposed major climate initiative.... Â Â Â one has to be fucking delusional to think that Lieberman's repeated betrayal of democratic constituencies was made all worthwhile because of his vote on DADT. Â Who gets to be judge and jury in this perfectly COUNTERBALANCED progressive universe, I wonder? Is there no absolution available? The Catholic in me reels! Edited January 25, 2011 by tvashtarkatena Quote
prole Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Boy, you're sure "getting shit done"! At this rate, slavery will be reinstituted by 2024. Quote
Kimmo Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 BTW, that would be the very same Ron Paul that started the Tea Party movement in 2007. Â source, please. Quote
prole Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 When is it not Obama campaign season for you? Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 My gay friends certainly agree! WA domestic partnership, repeal of DADT. Â Real results: not a progressive thing, I realize. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 BTW, that would be the very same Ron Paul that started the Tea Party movement in 2007. Â source, please. Â Get off yer lazy ass and google it, ya fuckin baby. Quote
Kimmo Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 are we really having this discussion? The events are similar insofar they involve the use of explosive devices for terrorist purpose, which is usually good enough to incite a media feeding frenzy.   WHICH events?  I do find it interesting that you make the charge that the spokane bombing attempt did not receive the same media attention as other similar events , yet refuse to provide examples of other similar events.  why is this so? Quote
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