tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 wtf? what about the Time square event of May 2010 by some brown dude and his smoking toyota? I said they were similar insofar they were attempts at terror. thank you for responding. if you reduce your argument to only center on "terror" as the commonality between events, you then remove other possible relevant information, such as location of attack. Wait a minute. Downtown Spokane isn't as newsworthy as Times Square? WTF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) which, in a way, supports your argument, jb. Edited January 25, 2011 by Kimmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) Of course, there is one other minute difference between the two stories. Hmmmmm....I wonder what that might be...... Edited January 25, 2011 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 other than the fact that one took place in a town nobody's heard of and one in the most iconic location in the most iconic city in America, that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 hey, give him a chance to come up with some more examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 wtf? what about the Time square event of May 2010 by some brown dude and his smoking toyota? I said they were similar insofar they were attempts at terror. thank you for responding. if you reduce your argument to only center on "terror" as the commonality between events, you then remove other possible relevant information, such as location of attack. No events are going to be identical, yet the pattern of hyping all rumor of Arab terror and minimizing right wing domestic terror has already been shown: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1023 http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1175 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Wait a minute. Downtown Spokane isn't as newsworthy as Times Square? WTF? claiming that the difference in location explains the difference in media coverage isn't very credible at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Is this thread in need of some Pamela? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 I don't think it will help very much. If "liberals" are also in denial that the corporate media try to minimize the Spokane type event while they usually hype terror events/attempts, we are really fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Are you suggesting that domestic terrorism stories in 2004 have been squelched because of the surge of Tea Party sentiment, which really started in earnest in 2009? Or did this story get only minor coverage for what could be many other reasons, including: Other stories. Busy news weeks can crowd out other stories. News shelf space is actually very limited. Convictions reveal this was a simple weapons charge - no actual plot or conspiracy. Serendipity: Some stories get covered and go viral, some don't. Why is anyone's guess. With a data sample this tiny, conspiratorial conclusions are simply impossible to make credibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Blow up a TV tower (from your example) and blow up the Twin Towers and see which one gets covered more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 jesus, if we could only attach a fly-wheel to the raw spray-engine power here, we wouldn't need yucca mtn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Is it FAIR that a tower is not a tower is not a tower? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 jesus, if we could only attach a fly-wheel to the raw spray-engine power here, we wouldn't need yucca mtn The Evil runs strong today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Work is slower than KKK trying to come up with a fresh reply.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) No events are going to be identical, yet the pattern of hyping all rumor of Arab terror and minimizing right wing domestic terror has already been shown: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1023 http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1175 do you believe there is an active conscious effort on the part of media to suppress the reporting of domestic "terrorist" activity? Edited January 25, 2011 by Kimmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) i also think, jb, that had the fellow in spokane been an ayrab, or any other "minority", then yes, the media response would have been different. does this mean an active, conscious conspiracy? i'm not so sure about that part. Edited January 25, 2011 by Kimmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Foreign invasion/terrorism, all other things being equal, probably is a bigger story than domestic, for a lot of reasons. One: how did they GET IN through all our expensive security? A big question that simply isn't part of domestic terrorism. In the end, law enforcement (FBI, etc) treats domestic terrorism with as much or more priority as any other form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 How can there be no motion toward publishing any of it for 18 hrs at Drudge and the NYT without their being conscious of it? I don't know but I don't believe this kind of decision is haphazard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 In the end, law enforcement (FBI, etc) treats domestic terrorism with as much or more priority as any other form. Please. Support for investigation into rightwing extremism has been lukewarm at best, if not outright hostile. [video:youtube] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 But don't worry, domestic terrorism is just a collection of "unrelated", "random", and "totally unpredictable" acts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) Our Technology and Liberty Project (WA staff of 3) keeps very close track of what the FBI and other law enforcement are doing for their surveillance practices. Our National Director for the same project was an FBI agent for 20 years. The domestic arm of DHS puts a lot of resources, far more than for foreign terrorism, into domestic terrorism enforcement. As you might expect, the McVeigh bombing pumped that budget way up. Edited January 25, 2011 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 But don't worry, domestic terrorism is just a collection of "unrelated", "random", and "totally unpredictable" acts. Actually, in many cases, you're right. Movements can go viral, at which point the only thing that travels between the group's leadership and its soldiers is a broadcast meme - an grievance and call to action. Individuals take it from there, sometimes with central funding, more often with local. This makes for a much more difficult enemy to detect and counter - if less strategic in effect. It also pits security against freedom of speech and religion, a divisive issue for free societies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Stochastic Terrorism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 I'm not interested in jacking up the security state. This is an issue for progressive political leadership (Democratic Party?) in addressing underlying conditions that are giving rise to rightwing hysteria. That leadership has been an ardent supporter of the Washington Consensus, ceding to the Right on economic policy, while "playing" in the fuzzywuzzy rainbow of lifestyle identity politics. Thanks for the marginal gains in civil rights but it's time to get back to basics. The rise of the Right is a failure of the Left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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