rob Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 WTF? OK, seriously. They fucking torpedo a ship, and people are like, "Oh, you better not do this anymore. This time we mean it!" Seriously. I mean, I'm not really much of a hawk, but W T F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 did you not get the memo on the korean war never...actually...ending? you got a better plan though, esse? it wasn't like we dug n' at the 38th parallel and called it quits for lack of trying! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted May 20, 2010 Author Share Posted May 20, 2010 You really think they're in the same position they were in 50+ years ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 30,000 artillery pieces pointed at Seoul--who needs nukes! A pretty bad situation all around. Not sure why China doesn't finally reign in its little pit bull, other than they want to keep a dagger pointed at the heart of Japan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 Hans Brix, mah good frien, so heppy to see yu! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 An yang hashim nikka. Hans imneda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 You really think they're in the same position they were in 50+ years ago? what's changed? korea's geography lends itslef to ww1 type situatons - very rugged, very narrow - the 1950 war had to quit when it became obvious no offensive could sucede w/o nukes to blast a big hole in the defenses - that calculus hasn't changed. throwing away hundreds of thousands of lives to avenge thte dozen or so of this latest debacle doesn't make sense. the dagger at the heart of japan thang, fw, makes you soudn like colonel sanders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 wow - rereading that last missive makes me realize i'm needing to put the wine glass down, take a shower, and see if i can't sleep day 3 of this massive neck-o-lanche off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 the dagger at the heart of japan thang, fw, makes you soudn like colonel sanders It's from a Tokugawa/Meiji Japan History course I'm taking right now. Their words, not mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 You really think they're in the same position they were in 50+ years ago? Based on reports it would seem little has changed within North Korea in 50+ years, so on that front, yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 the dagger at the heart of japan thang, fw, makes you soudn like colonel sanders It's from a Tokugawa/Meiji Japan History course I'm taking right now. Their words, not mine. i recognized the phrase, though i didn't know it was older than the 50's and the start of the war - it's use then was rich w/ the melodrama of falling dominoes, so it just seems very dated now - i don't think anyone's much concerned about korea goign after japan today (not that the good people of manchuko or wtf the nipponese called it in the 30's wouldn't like to return some favors ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 I think it goes back even farther--to Toyotomi Hideyoshi. A special brand of Japanese paranoia. Japan was never worried about the Koreans themselves, but they did seem to honestly believe the Chinese and/or Russians would use the peninsula to threaten their islands. In the case of the Russians, who poured troops into Korea and the Liaodung Peninsula in 1902-4, they may have had a point. I'm just speculating as to whether modern China is still somehow trying to exploit this old paranoia. Crazy shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted May 20, 2010 Author Share Posted May 20, 2010 How long until Kevbone posts a video telling us that N. Korea is innocent, and that Japan did it using a stolen korean torpedo, and that Bush gave the order to fire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 Gave the order? Hell, bush was piloting the mini sub himself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 Gave the order? Hell, bush was piloting the mini sub himself! So kevbone is off celebrating? the "Otsu incident" is always the weird bit in Russo/Japanese history. The Chinese are just fucking idiot hacks right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 Gave the order? Hell, bush was piloting the mini sub himself! Reverend Moon (Owner of the Washington Times, championed as THE paper to read in Washington by Reagan and other GOPers) has been involved in submarines sales to NK according to Japanese and US intelligence. Moon is a well known Bush family friend. So, you may be onto something? http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=9868 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted May 20, 2010 Author Share Posted May 20, 2010 Sorry, please provide a youtube video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted May 20, 2010 Author Share Posted May 20, 2010 I still think that we could pretty much demolish them. It would be trickier if China defended them, for sure, then it's not worth it. But would they? China kinda wants to be a world power. Would they stick their neck out for N. Korea anymore? N. Korea kinda keeps making them look bad. Militarily, do you really doubt we could fuck that country back to the stone age pretty easily? It's not the 50's. I'm not talking about occupation or regime change and counter-insurgency or anything like that. I'm just talking about demolishing their government, blowing their shit up, and plunging them into total chaos and anarchy. Isn't that kind of our "thing?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbw1966 Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 North Korea is a buffer for China from the US which is in their strategic interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 BIG MAN WU! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 I still think that we could pretty much demolish them. It would be trickier if China defended them, for sure, then it's not worth it. But would they? China kinda wants to be a world power. Would they stick their neck out for N. Korea anymore? N. Korea kinda keeps making them look bad. Militarily, do you really doubt we could fuck that country back to the stone age pretty easily? It's not the 50's. I'm not talking about occupation or regime change and counter-insurgency or anything like that. I'm just talking about demolishing their government, blowing their shit up, and plunging them into total chaos and anarchy. Isn't that kind of our "thing?" read "this kind of war," the classic history of the korean war - makes it pretty damn clear the only way you can conquer north korea w/o killing an insane # of americans is to nuke the place - alot - don't think the s koreans or the chinese would be terribly pleased about that at any rate, it's a s korean ship they sank, so let the kimchee eaters settle this one themselves, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 Sorry, please provide a youtube video. here you go: [video:youtube]QCEvnTIbAJo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 (edited) Ya mean we can't just swagger on in thar to kick ass 'n take names, like we did in EYE-rack? Edited May 20, 2010 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR SOME DECENT FUCKING WEATHER ALREADY? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 I AM ANGRY AT GOD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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