Fairweather Posted January 22, 2010 Posted January 22, 2010 woulda been one of the greats if it wasn't for that raggedy ass little third rate country and his crippling fear of the frak'n republicans labeling him n' his party pussies That's BS. Between FDR, Truman, and JFK--and LBJ's own hawkish FP and brutish behavior--I don't think too many folks were worried at the time that he or the Dems were pussies. Quote
ivan Posted January 22, 2010 Posted January 22, 2010 weren't the dem's accused of "losing china", of not being forceful enough in fighting global communism ('speically cuba) - however irrational, wasn't lbj completly paranoid that america would turn to goldwater if he didn't handle vietnam right? leave out vietnam and lbj's civil rights work, medicare, medicaid, pbs, war on poverty, great society, yadda, yadda, yadda (not to mention the greatest landslide in modern electoral history) and how does he not rate well? his pursuit of irrational war is the classic example of how a single flaw can fuck up every other good thing you got. Quote
StevenSeagal Posted January 22, 2010 Posted January 22, 2010 True enough. Did Gingrich worry about not ramming shit through for the "Contract" in '94? Sack up, Dems. How the minority party feels is (mostly) irrelevant. Wow, KK cheering on the Democrats!?! Next thing you know, Fairweather is going to agree on something with Prole and j_b. I'm leaning toward j_b/Prole on tighter banking controls too. OMG! Quote
Fairweather Posted January 22, 2010 Posted January 22, 2010 weren't the dem's accused of "losing china", of not being forceful enough in fighting global communism ('speically cuba) - however irrational, wasn't lbj completly paranoid that america would turn to goldwater if he didn't handle vietnam right? leave out vietnam and lbj's civil rights work, medicare, medicaid, pbs, war on poverty, great society, yadda, yadda, yadda (not to mention the greatest landslide in modern electoral history) and how does he not rate well? his pursuit of irrational war is the classic example of how a single flaw can fuck up every other good thing you got. 55,000 dead Americans hardly rates as a single flaw. At least he had the decency to step aside in '68. Now that was honorable. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted January 22, 2010 Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) The Vietnam era, which, from a US perspective, spanned from 48, when Ho send Truman a letter asking for his diplomatic help in establishing independence from France, to 75, involved a few more presidents than Johnson. Regarding the original issue, I just presented some considerations to think about. The ACLU, for example, doesn't endorse or contribute to any political candidates, but it does contribute to and solicit donations for referendums and other electoral campaigns, mostly recently R71. Poorly written and enacted statutory restrictions on this type of political speech could potentially hobble such efforts. In the end, campaign contributions are a band aid issue that doesn't really address the more fundamental question of why the electorate makes such poor choices in the first place. I don't know that much about the issue, and therefore remain undecided, choosing instead to focus on other issues the I think are more important, interesting, and resolvable. Plus, I'm not even sure I'm posting in the right thread. Edited January 22, 2010 by tvashtarkatena Quote
Fairweather Posted January 22, 2010 Posted January 22, 2010 The Vietnam era, which, from a US perspective, spanned from 48, when Ho send Truman a letter asking for his diplomatic help in establishing independence from France, to 75, involved a few more presidents than Johnson. You can go back even farther. Then-ambassador Ho Chi Min (Quoc) asked to meet with Woodrow Wilson when they both attended Versailles in 1919. Wilson--racist that he was--refused. Quote
Bug Posted January 22, 2010 Posted January 22, 2010 Sheeeee-it. You guys disagree even when you agree. Quote
Bug Posted January 22, 2010 Posted January 22, 2010 Actually, everyone was in agreement until God created Eve. Right? Quote
ivan Posted January 22, 2010 Posted January 22, 2010 55,000 dead Americans hardly rates as a single flaw. At least he had the decency to step aside in '68. Now that was honorable. it probably helped that he wasn't feeling so hawt - if he had stayed (and against all odds won) a second term, and if he had still died on the same date, he woulda croaked on the day of the next guy's inauguration lbj is to me the arche-type shakespearean tragic figure - macbeth, hamlet, king lear - the don't have shit on johnson Quote
Fairweather Posted January 22, 2010 Posted January 22, 2010 they don't have shit on johnson Hehe. Now that's funny. Quote
Hugh Conway Posted January 23, 2010 Author Posted January 23, 2010 they don't have shit on johnson Hehe. Now that's funny. hey, he's for gay marriage, give him a break Quote
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