Thank Obama!

[prole]

Oh, my bad. I thought Jon was asking you what Glenn Beck was wearing today because everything that comes out of your mouth on this (or any other) topic sounds like you're channeling Beck verbatim. Given that you "haven't had a chance to see his show" I'm surprised you haven't been approached for a writing job or a guest appearance.

[No. 13 Baby]

I'm afraid...

 

We know.

 

Win.

[pink]

It's one thing to be taken by someone with the right credentials and who says all the right things at the right time, but it is something else to be taken by someone who has no credentials and who tells you that up is down.

 

 

it sucks being taken either way...

[j_b]

Is that why you spend so much time "beating the little commie?"

 

You don't beat commies, you disappear them.

 

you are getting pretty shrill if you think that advertising the jack-booted policies you supported against left wingers for decades in the developing world is going to win you any friends.

[j_b]

Fort Hood has also born much of the brunt from its heavy involvement in the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Fort Hood soldiers have accounted for more suicides than any other army post since the US invasion of Iraq in 2003. This year alone, the base is averaging over 10 suicides each month - at least 75 have been recorded through July of this year alone.

 

http://www.alternet.org/world/143837/10_suicides_a_month_at_ft._hood_--_war_stress_is_taking_soldiers_to_the_brink

[prole]

I'm afraid your side is going to have to take responsibility for the Fort Hood shooter. You enabled him.

 

Yippee!

[j_b]

the base is averaging over 10 suicides each month

 

that's ~20 times the average population rate.

[Fairweather]

Oh, my bad. I thought Jon was asking you what Glenn Beck was wearing today because everything that comes out of your mouth on this (or any other) topic sounds like you're channeling Beck verbatim. Given that you "haven't had a chance to see his show" I'm surprised you haven't been approached for a writing job or a guest appearance.

 

Fuck off, little commie lap dog.

[Fairweather]

Is that why you spend so much time "beating the little commie?"

 

You don't beat commies, you disappear them.

 

you are getting pretty shrill if you think that advertising the jack-booted policies you supported against left wingers for decades in the developing world is going to win you any friends.

 

Actually, it wasn't "my side" that did that whole deal. It was that Third Way guy. Remember? Anyway, I'm not looking to have you or yours as friends. Just keep your lazy-ass political ideas off my fucking property.

[ivan]

don't you have homework to be doing, fw?

[Fairweather]

don't you have homework to be doing, fw?

 

WHAT ARE YOU MY FUCKING MOTHER?

 

(Please do not attempt to rearrange that sentence.)

[olyclimber]

you already did it so artfully!

[tvashtarkatena]

Gladly wood this cross I'd bear.

[pink]

a cross made of chochodiles?

[j_b]

 

you are getting pretty shrill if you think that advertising the jack-booted policies you supported against left wingers for decades in the developing world is going to win you any friends.

 

Actually, it wasn't "my side" that did that whole deal. It was that Third Way guy. Remember? Anyway, I'm not looking to have you or yours as friends. Just keep your lazy-ass political ideas off my fucking property.

 

What happened? Suddenly Fairweather stopped taking responsibility for his supporting military dictatorships that have disappeared their opponents throughout Latin America (and elsewhere). Remember how Fairweather was the only person here who vehemently supported the Honduran coup d'etat 6 month ago, that resulted in death, massive repression and loss of freedom for Hondurans (even though Fariweather gargarizes about "freedom" in every other sentence)

[Fairweather]

 

you are getting pretty shrill if you think that advertising the jack-booted policies you supported against left wingers for decades in the developing world is going to win you any friends.

 

Actually, it wasn't "my side" that did that whole deal. It was that Third Way guy. Remember? Anyway, I'm not looking to have you or yours as friends. Just keep your lazy-ass political ideas off my fucking property.

 

What happened? Suddenly Fairweather stopped taking responsibility for his supporting military dictatorships that have disappeared their opponents throughout Latin America (and elsewhere). Remember how Fairweather was the only person here who vehemently supported the Honduran coup d'etat 6 month ago, that resulted in death, massive repression and loss of freedom for Hondurans (even though Fariweather gargarizes about "freedom" in every other sentence)

 

You're dillusional, but in a pity-worthy kind of way. Re Zalaya: Are you telling me that if GWB had put forth a national referendum whereby he could extend his presidency another term--and ordered the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs to have the military help promote this referendum--and balked at a Supreme Court ruling ordering him to stop said unconstitutional act--that you would be OK/fine with that? Amazing. I would hope that what happened in Honduras would likewise happen here if the scenario were the same--no matter who was president.

[j_b]

just imagine that. Fairweather isn't boasting his ardent support for the Pinochet, and other bloody juntas of the world that he so energetically defended over the years. Looks like someone wants to engineer a new persona ... pretty soon he'll tell us he never supported Bush.

[Fairweather]

Huh? Not at all. Pinochet was a predictable response to Allende's criminal socialist incompetence. And preferable, IMO. How is this different than your response/beliefs vis a vis Castro from Batista in Cuba? Yet you support his equally brutal regime and the similar manner in which it came to power. Spare me your indignation. Peron, of course, is a different story. But you haven't answered my original question: Would you support or tolerate Zelaya-like actions here?

[j_b]

Batista was a bloody dictator that didn't leave Cubans any options to transition toward democracy. The Castro regime evolved from that reality as well as the constant undermining from abroad for the last 50 years. You got exactly what you wanted out of not leaving Cubans any breathing space: an authoritarian regime.

 

I haven't answered your question viz Zelaya because it is asinine. The USA isn't Honduras. Honduras' constitution was imposed by a military junta before it left power in the 80's in order to keep political power in the hands of the oligarchy. Moreover Zelaya didn't breech the constitution despite your affirmation to the opposite.

[Fairweather]

Batista was a bloody dictator that didn't leave Cubans any options to transition toward democracy.

 

And Castro has been better in this regard exactly how?

[j_b]

And one has to admire your "criminal incompetence" to characterize Allende's actions and justify the murder of thousands of his supporters. There was nothing criminal about his administration, on the contrary he refused to use force to reign in the professionals and oligarchs that were conspiring against him. Obviously he paid dearly for that.

[Fairweather]

...and your "breathing space" thesis is wholly unsupported--or even definable. As for Allende, I would just say that I consider the nationalization of private industry and the confiscation of privately-owned land to be a criminal act. I'm not sure that excusing Castro's brutality (for whatever reason) while condemning Pinochet's is, in any way, a demonstration of objectivity.

[j_b]

Batista was a bloody dictator that didn't leave Cubans any options to transition toward democracy.

 

And Castro has been better in this regard exactly how?

 

who knows how Cuba and Castro would have evolved if no embargo, no invasions and other attempts had taken place. These policies are as much responsible for Cuba's evolution as Castro himself.

[Fairweather]

Batista was a bloody dictator that didn't leave Cubans any options to transition toward democracy.

 

And Castro has been better in this regard exactly how?

 

who knows how Cuba and Castro would have evolved if no embargo, no invasions and other attempts had taken place. These policies are as much responsible for Cuba's evolution as Castro himself.

 

 

Ah, I see. You're saying that making excuses for bloody dictators is acceptable under certain circumstances. In a transitional sense, I agree. I'm not condemning you here; just trying to clarify the thought process.

 

I would point out that Chile is now a much better place in which to live than Cuba--but that is debatable too, I suppose.

[j_b]

Agrarian reform in Chile (land redistribution to poor campesinos) started under Frei, i.e. before Allende. Widespread nationalizations eventually occurred under Pinochet's dictatorship.