layton Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 no I'm not writting one - but I hope someone will! I've had B.D. express screws for about 10 years now and I know there are more choices out there including a newly designed BD screw. What's good out there? My screws are getting old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad_A Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Not much to add, but will say that when it's time to retire your old ones, the new BD design is worth paying the money for. The more agressive tooth design really does help them start easier; the only downside is that there's a tad more resistance when turning them all the way in, but I don't mind that. HTH- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendershot Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 4 stars for the Grivel 360's. They go in like butter! They can get to the most tricky of places like behind a pillar. The reason I don't give them 5 stars is they are a pain to rack. So the rest of my rack is BD turbo express and a couple "bail screws" just in case. Â Anything forming in the SLC area yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 The Grivel Helix and the Petzl Laser are both 5 stars. Last winter I was grabbing them by preference over BD. They stayed sharper thru the season too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layton Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 can you even get grivel stuff anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 At MEC you sure can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdietsch Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 anyone had a chance to try the Simond Tornados yet?? Â [img:center]http://www.simond.com/images/prestations/A-SIMOND-46XXTORNAD-0002.jpg[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukic Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Pro Mountain Sports in the U-district in Seattle is still carrying Grivel products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 A buddy of mine loves those Simond screws but I've never tried em'. Â I like the Petzl/Charlets except they can be a little hard to clip sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Grivel Helix, best of the current screws out for water ice. Easy to rack as well. Close second is the newest BD with a crank. Add the Grivel 360 if you are talking alpine ice. Â Buddy and I tried all of them last winter over a couple of weeks in the Rockies and the helix came out the surprize winner by fair margin. Tube size, tooth design and durability, hanger design and finish all were part of that decision. Â Bottom line if you aren't climbing with the current generation screws you are wasting a lot of energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad_A Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 anyone had a chance to try the Simond Tornados yet?? [img:center]http://www.simond.com/images/prestations/A-SIMOND-46XXTORNAD-0002.jpg[/img]  Yeah, I bought one a couple of years ago for the helluvit. They bite quick and start easy, but the fold-out knob isn't quite there; kinda flimsy. And the knob doesn't turn very easily, either (it's simply thick wire turned into a hook shape with the knob turning inside that "hook"- it binds up easily).  I think with a bit of work they could be a really great ice screw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KathyS Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 can you even get grivel stuff anymore? Â These guys say they will continue to stock Grivel stuff in the US: http://www.mountaineer.com/ Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layton Posted November 4, 2008 Author Share Posted November 4, 2008 gracias! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkporwit Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Any opinions on the CAMP Radion screws? They seem awful pricey at $75. Worth it for the fancy hanger? Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 that looks like a bitch to rack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlympicMtnBoy Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 I'd probably just clip a biner on it and rack it like a cam. I wonder how prone the sling will be to freezing into the ice. Pheww, $75? I still kick myself for not buying more of the Petzl's when REI had em for like $30 a couple seasons ago. The one I have remains my favorite screw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad_A Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Mike, Â Pro Mountain Sports is getting stuff from Grivel- he just procured a set of spare frontpoints for my Rambo 4s without any issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 I'd probably just clip a biner on it and rack it like a cam. Â I predict holes in the fabric of your pants in the mid-thigh region from that, cause it would swing more than a screw racked by the hanger on a biner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hafilax Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Has anyone ever tried to design an ice screw bandelier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hafilax Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 They suck though. Having the panpipes on your harness or a separate belt seems to be a better design than on a bandolier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northvanclimber Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 so dru, how do you rack your screws? do you use those ice flute things from petzl? can't imagine putting a whole bunch of them on your harness. or do you use a separate belt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 i just use the plastic screw racking biners. they work fine but i use 4 of them. more than 4 screws per biner is trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northvanclimber Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 ah, cool. Â still wonder what would be the best way to use those petzl ice flutes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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