Hugh Conway Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 looks like typical deadbird innovation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightning Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 yeah but it has their symbol on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted January 28, 2008 Author Share Posted January 28, 2008 yeah but it has their symbol on it plus high price tag = typical deadbird innovation sickie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ade Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 What's their marketing saying to warrent such a high price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Frieh Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 They had a few @ the canmore ice festival... sick sick lightweight. Bottom line: Some of us will justify the price for weight savings... some of us wont. Just like when wire gates came out... most of us felt replacing all our biners with wire gates was worth the weight savings. Some of us didnt/dont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenderfour Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 ...and some of us are gear whores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plexus Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 It better give me that warm fuzzy feeling when I sit in the belay for that kind of money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Frieh Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 ...and some of us are gear whores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hafilax Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 I've heard about those for a while now. Too much for my wallet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ade Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 So no more info other than it's "really light" and costs nearly twice as much as (say) a Petzl Hirundos or three times the cost of the Camp XLH 95 - which according to Camp's head of product development weights "fuck all" (he says it with a funny Euro accent). The dead Bird marketing guggernaut will have to do better than that. I'm all for paying for lightweight just not about paying for someone to tell me it's lightweight (when it's probably not). Does anyone have a link to more info? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted January 28, 2008 Author Share Posted January 28, 2008 I've heard about those for a while now. Too much for my wallet. they are in stock at REI for your shopping pleasure. They come in a spiffy tin too big for your weed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrogdortheBurninator Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 http://www.rockclimbing.com/Articles/Gear_and_Reviews/Arc_teryx_WST_Harness_Editorial_Review_777.html sounds pretty nice, but damn spendy$$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ade Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Got it REI... the R320. http://www.rei.com/product/768079 320g and the same weight as the BD Pheonix ($65). http://www.bdel.com/gear/phoenix.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Of course there are a lot of good light harnesses out there now. The CAMP harness Ade mentioned above weighs 95 grams! This one is just 17 grams more than the Arc'teryx one, and costs $110 less! http://www.backcountryoutlet.com/outlet/CMP0075/CAMP-USA-Onyx-CR-Harness-Mens.html?CMP_ID=SH_FRO002&CMP_SKU=CMP0075&mv_pc=r126 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizard_brain Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Yeah, but it has something called a 'system', and they have a really cool website... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBNomad Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 You know between this thread and the thread on their china production, it sure is "in" to bash on Arc'teryx. Yeah their products are priced out of the stratosphere, but they do continue to innovate. I've worn some of those other ultralight harnesses and hanging belays are not fun. If you want to buy a cheaper CAMP harness, go ahead. I'm not sure why all this vitriol directed towards Arc'teryx exists. They make some innovative, slick looking items. Sure, they sew some shit. Sure, some of it isn't "worth" the premium. Is the existence of something out of your price range worth coming onto a website just to bash it? Personally, if a company wants to make an uber comfortable, indestructible harness and charge a boat load for it, sign me up. The jury is still out on Arc'teryx's attempt. Harnesses are worth a premium if you spend enough time in them. The covert scarf ... well maybe some rich kid will buy one, and arc'teryx will continue to make some innovative products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hafilax Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 The innovation of the new technology is to remove most of the vertical strands from the webbing across the back of the waistband which is then spread over the area where padding was used to spread the force. The wide webbing means they don't need as much padding so it's lighter. Apparently they're quite comfortable especially given the weight. The waistband is also much thinner which is nice for chimneys and for wearing under packs. They also somehow designed the gear loops so that you can angle your gear forward or toward your arse depending on preference and what kind of climbing you'll be doing. They look nice but I doubt I can afford one. If they work maybe the price will come down in a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 I might have to get one just to piss off all the people that are complaining about how expensive they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted January 29, 2008 Author Share Posted January 29, 2008 I might have to get one just to piss off all the people that are complaining about how expensive they are. Next you are going to buy a Bentley to drive your ass to the trailhead and pissoff all the climbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 If I bought a Bentley I might not be able to drive to the trailhead. How about a Pinzgauer or a G-Wagen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted January 29, 2008 Author Share Posted January 29, 2008 If I bought a Bentley I might not be able to drive to the trailhead. How about a Pinzgauer or a G-Wagen? If I bought a deadbird harness I wouldn't be able to clip the chains, whats your point sickie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 You already have trouble clipping your boyfriends nipple ring let along the chains. The only point is the one on your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenderfour Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 You know between this thread and the thread on their china production, it sure is "in" to bash on Arc'teryx. Yeah their products are priced out of the stratosphere, but they do continue to innovate. I've worn some of those other ultralight harnesses and hanging belays are not fun. If you want to buy a cheaper CAMP harness, go ahead. I'm not sure why all this vitriol directed towards Arc'teryx exists. They make some innovative, slick looking items. Sure, they sew some shit. Sure, some of it isn't "worth" the premium. Is the existence of something out of your price range worth coming onto a website just to bash it? Personally, if a company wants to make an uber comfortable, indestructible harness and charge a boat load for it, sign me up. The jury is still out on Arc'teryx's attempt. Harnesses are worth a premium if you spend enough time in them. The covert scarf ... well maybe some rich kid will buy one, and arc'teryx will continue to make some innovative products. What bashing? What vitriol? People are pointing out that comparable products already exist for much less money. That's not what I would call animosity. If you want animosity, look up "Muir on Saturday". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hafilax Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 I think he's refering more to the other thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 They had a few @ the canmore ice festival... sick sick lightweight. Bottom line: Some of us will justify the price for weight savings... some of us wont. Just like when wire gates came out... most of us felt replacing all our biners with wire gates was worth the weight savings. Some of us didnt/dont. man, i was gonna send this siiiiiick proj, but then i fell off...i think my harness was too damn heavy!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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