lI1|1! Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 invented the internet it's a series of tubes, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I'm a big fan of Norman Borlaug, and the work that he performed is vastly more significant than, and quite beyond, anything that Gore could ever accomplish in terms of its direct benefits to humanity - but I think that Borlaug was a strange choice, and that his nomination was as nearly as far off the mark as Gore's. The criteria for awarding the prize have been so vague, nebulous, and off the mark for so long that the award has been rendered both meaningless and worthless IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Gorbachev ended the Soviet Union, Reagan's main contribution was being open to the possibility there could be a different relationship between the two states. Beyond that his contribution is wildly overstated by many on the Right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted October 16, 2007 Author Share Posted October 16, 2007 Gorbachev ended the Soviet Union, Reagan's main contribution was being open to the possibility there could be a different relationship between the two states. Beyond that his contribution is wildly overstated by many on the Right. :lmao: :lmao: Не умничай, дурак! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 (edited) The non-sustainability of the communist model "ended" The Soviet Union. Reagan helped accelerate its demise with huge deficit military spending that their centralized economy was unable to match. Gorbachev was simply the pragmatist who signed the death certificate in a commendably peaceful fashion. Now, instead of extending our hand and allying our two nations, Bush and Rice are busy placing missiles and airbases all around their borders. Just plain dumb. Edited October 16, 2007 by Fairweather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted October 16, 2007 Author Share Posted October 16, 2007 The non-sustainability of the communist model "ended" The Soviet Union. Reagan helped accelerate its demise with huge deficit military spending that their centralized economy was unable to match. Gorbachev was simply the pragmatist. Gorbachev wanted the Soviet Union to stay intact. He moved too quickly with his reforms and lost it. To his credit he did not roll the tanks into E. Germany, The Baltics, or Belarus or Ukraine for that matter as things fell apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Gore may have been awarded half a Nobel for making his little movie, but because of that little movie, morons such as KKK the world over are no longer denying that human caused global warming is happening and that it is a major threat to humankind (and nonhumankind). As for Raindawg and the few other befuddled stragglers still hanging around freeway onramps with magic markered cardboard placards that cry "NO!"...perhaps a robust appetite for Absolut provides an explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Axial precession. Orbital stretch. Variable tilt. Solar output. Take your anthropogenic socialist vehicle and shove it, dumb ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 The non-sustainability of the communist model "ended" The Soviet Union. Reagan helped accelerate its demise with huge deficit military spending that their centralized economy was unable to match. That's exactly the common fairy tale from the Right I was speaking of. Hey, they were history regardless of our spending. The 'accelerant' effect was trivial compared to natural forces already hard at work before Reagan and his merry band of felons descended upon us. Reagan was simply smart enough to not overly f#ck up our response as it folded. Funny how all those claiming this great legacy of the defeat of the mighty Soviet Union are pretty much the same band of treasonous clowns who somehow couldn't manage poor little Iraq. Maybe it's because they used the same strategy - give a lot of money to our friends and hope for the best. It panned out for Reagan, who really didn't have to do much besides wait; it has been a disaster for the United States in Iraq which actually required an plan to have had any chance at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Axial precession. Orbital stretch. Variable tilt. Solar output. Take your anthropogenic socialist vehicle and shove it, dumb ass. edit: It's unlikely you can shove it. Gore's already in there. Unfortunately for you, my not-very-well-read young friend, the anomalies in the earth's motion you cite should be producing an ice age right about now. They are not. Wonder why? Hurry, get back on the interwebs for the next episode of INCOMPLETE ARGUMENT MAN!!!!!! You remind me the defense attorney I watched from the jury box admit, as evidence, a letter from a battered woman to her alleged batterer in an attempt to prove that she had violated a no contact order she had previously filed against the accused. The contents of the letter? A hospital bill for her injuries from the battering she sent him for reimbursement. Please stay away from all things scientific. You're your own worst enemy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 ... before Reagan and his merry band of felons descended upon us. ...you mean elected...not to mention re-elected with 49 of 50 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 ... before Reagan and his merry band of felons descended upon us. ...you mean elected...not to mention re-elected with 49 of 50 states. Exactly, pretty much like the current band of treasonous felons esconced in the Whitehouse and pretty much the same "gang-who-couldn't-shoot-straight" incompetency across the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Axial precession. Orbital stretch. Variable tilt. Solar output. Take your anthropogenic socialist vehicle and shove it, dumb ass. edit: It's unlikely you can shove it. Gore's already in there. Unfortunately for you, my not-very-well-read young friend, the anomalies in the earth's motion you cite should be producing an ice age right about now. They are not. Wonder why? Hurry, get back on the interwebs for the next episode of INCOMPLETE ARGUMENT MAN!!!!!! You remind me the defense attorney I watched from the jury box admit, as evidence, a letter from a battered woman to her alleged batterer in an attempt to prove that she had violated a no contact order she had previously filed against the accused. The contents of the letter? A hospital bill for her injuries from the battering she sent him for reimbursement. Please stay away from all things scientific. You're your own worst enemy. Milankovitch Cycle. And you are incorrect about how this cycle would superimpose against your supposed present-day ice age. It matches up with the climatic record pretty well - including the present. I think you have our positions completely backward. You might want to PM me on this one before you end up with your foot deep in your mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 ... before Reagan and his merry band of felons descended upon us. ...you mean elected...not to mention re-elected with 49 of 50 states. Exactly, pretty much like the current band of treasonous felons esconced in the Whitehouse and pretty much the same "gang-who-couldn't-shoot-straight" incompetency across the board. At last! A "progressive" who's willing to admit that... Bush Was Elected!! I think this is real progress, Joseph. Don't worry - I won't tell Matt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 (edited) Oh, I forgot to mention that the increase in solar output (yes, the sun is getting hotter) is an effect that is completely dwarfed in magnitude by the present asymptotic increase in human caused CO2. Now, the solar effect will matter a lot...250 million years from now. Given your track record on these matters, I doubt anyone on this board, least of all myself, will rush to their keyboards to check your facts. Edited October 16, 2007 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 ...but then, I don't see where you have presented anything. This seems to be a common theme in virtually all of your posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 ...but then, I don't see where you have resented anything. This seems to be a common theme in virtually all of your posts. Guilty. I don't resent anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I'll entertain you with this for now. I don't have time to dig through my more-recent textbooks for the graph that lays this out in a more spectacular fashion: Now, I would really like to see that graph you claim to have showing that the four factors I mentioned indicate an ice age underway now. Do you have it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 At last! A "progressive" who's willing to admit that... Bush Was Elected!! I think this is real progress, Joseph. Don't worry - I won't tell Matt. True, he did it largely by having Karl Rove lying his ass off to fiscal and religious conservatives, while simultaneously fear and race mongering. And of course, he was also ushered in by one of the most activist, anti-states rights opinion the SCOTUS has ever produced, but hey, he was elected - you just couldn't say fair and square. And you've actually read the Bush v Gore SCOTUS opinion and dissents, right? They aren't long. The SCOTUS decision was to Conservatives' beliefs on States Rights pretty much what Iraq is to their beliefs on 'no nation building' - extreme and explicit hipocrisy. Bush v Gore Majority Opinion, Stevens Dissent, Souter Dissent, Ginsberg Dissent, Breyer Dissent, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 (edited) I didn't realize you were a constitutional scholar or that you held Sandra Day O'Connor in such contempt. Didn't she once epitomize the "moderate" that progressives hold in such high regard...as long as they vote the correct way? Sour grapes, Joe. Even if Hillary is somehow elected in 2008, Bush's real legacy is John Roberts. Over, and done. Edited October 16, 2007 by Fairweather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimbingPanther Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 the present asymptotic increase in human caused CO2 when do we hit infinity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Bush and Rice are just plain dumb. Yes....that is correct! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Whatever criteria they use to determine winners has clearly become vague and nebulous enough to render the prize meaningless. The criteria for awarding the prize have been so vague, nebulous, and off the mark for so long that the award has been rendered both meaningless and worthless IMO. Well no matter how many times you declare the Nobel Prize is lacking, you got to admit that it's got more cred than an Oscar or Golden Globe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 For some... It'd be interesting to see how many Academy Award winners for Best Picture people can name off of the top of their heads versus Nobel Peace Prize Winners. Yasser Arafat is the first name that always springs to mind when I think of the Nobel Prize in this category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 In a similar vein, "Kramer vs Kramer" springs to my mind when thinking of "Best Picture". I think Al Gore is now a virtual lock for Time's "Man of the Year". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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