Jim Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 Too funny. The offering of daughters to the crowd is one of the many passages not brought up by the Bible thumpers too often. Likely many of them haven't actually read the good book. Quote
Mal_Con Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 My understanding is that the Hebrew interpretation of the story was about how you treat strangers rather than sexuality. Quote
Seahawks Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 Too funny. The offering of daughters to the crowd is one of the many passages not brought up by the Bible thumpers too often. Likely many of them haven't actually read the good book. Â If this refers to Lot, don't think he was following the good book. Quote
fig8 Posted August 29, 2007 Author Posted August 29, 2007 Too funny. The offering of daughters to the crowd is one of the many passages not brought up by the Bible thumpers too often. Likely many of them haven't actually read the good book. Â If this refers to Lot, don't think he was following the good book. Â Since Lot is a character in the book, wouldn't it be pretty hard for him to be following it? Just say'in. Quote
Seahawks Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 Too funny. The offering of daughters to the crowd is one of the many passages not brought up by the Bible thumpers too often. Likely many of them haven't actually read the good book. Â If this refers to Lot, don't think he was following the good book. Â Since Lot is a character in the book, wouldn't it be pretty hard for him to be following it? Just say'in. Â Following God or book, you get the jist. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 Too funny. The offering of daughters to the crowd is one of the many passages not brought up by the Bible thumpers too often. Likely many of them haven't actually read the good book. Â Actually, the Bible thumpers DO actually read the Bible. A lot. At least be accurate on what you criticize them for. Â Quote
Jim Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 Too funny. The offering of daughters to the crowd is one of the many passages not brought up by the Bible thumpers too often. Likely many of them haven't actually read the good book. Â Actually, the Bible thumpers DO actually read the Bible. A lot. At least be accurate on what you criticize them for. Â yea. They just forget all the good parts. Quote
ericb Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 FWIW...it's quite reasonable to view the OT as descriptive, and not necessarily prescriptive.... Quote
Jim Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 My understanding is that the Hebrew interpretation of the story was about how you treat strangers rather than sexuality. Â So rather than offering them tea and crumpets you.... Quote
billcoe Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 Right here: Â The answer is right here link Quote
JayB Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 From R.G. Ingersoll, 1899. "The Devil" Some excerpts... Â "A little while ago I delivered a lecture on "Superstition," in which, among other things, I said that the Christian world could not deny the existence of the Devil; that the Devil was really the keystone of the arch, and that to take him away was to destroy the entire system. Â A great many clergymen answered or criticized this statement. Some of these ministers avowed their belief in the existence of his Satanic Majesty, while others actually denied his existence; but some, without stating their own position, said that others believed, not in the existence of a personal devil, but in the personification of evil, and that all references to the Devil in the Scriptures could be explained on the hypothesis that the Devil thus alluded to was simply a personification of evil. Â When I read these answers I thought of this line from Heine: "Christ rode on an ass, but now asses ride on Christ." Â .... Â Â "Neither will it do to say that the Devil -- the Serpent -- was a personification of evil. Do personifications of evil talk? Can a personification of evil crawl on its belly? Can a personification of evil eat dust? If we say that the Devil was a personification of evil, are we not at the same time compelled to say that Jehovah was a personification of good; that the Garden of Eden was the personification of a place, and that the whole story is a personification of something that did not happen? Maybe that Adam and Eve were not driven out of the Garden; they may have suffered only the personification of exile. And maybe the cherubim placed at the gate of Eden, with flaming swords, were only personifications of policemen. Â There is no escape. If the Old Testament is true, the Devil does exist, and it is impossible to explain him away without at the same time explaining God away." Â ... Â "Many of the clergy are now ashamed to say that they believe in devils. The belief has become ignorant and vulgar. They are ashamed of the lake of fire and brimstone. It is too savage. Â At the same time they do not wish to give up the inspiration of the Bible. They give new meanings to the inspired words. Now they say that devils were only personifications of evil. Â If the devils were only personifications of evil what were the angels? Was the angel who told Joseph who the father of Christ was, a personification? Was the Holy Ghost only the personification of a father? Was the angel who told Joseph that Herod was dead a personification of news? Â Were the angels who rolled away the stone and sat clothed in shining garments in the empty sepulcher of Christ a couple of personifications? Were all the angels described in the Old Testament imaginary shadows -- bodiless personifications? If the angels of the Bible are real angels, the devils are real devils. Â Let us be honest with ourselves and each other and give to the Bible its natural, obvious meaning. Let us admit that the writers believed what they wrote. If we believe that they were mistaken, let us have the honesty and courage to say so. Certainly we have no right to change or avoid their meaning, or to dishonestly correct their mistakes. Timid preachers sully their own souls when they change what the writers of the Bible believed to be facts to allegories, parables, poems and myths. Â It is impossible for any man who believes in the inspiration of the Bible to explain away the Devil. Â If the Bible is true the Devil exists. There is no escape from this. Â If the Devil does not exist the Bible is not true. There is no escape from this. Â I admit that the Devil of the Bible is an impossible contradiction; an impossible being. Â This Devil is the enemy of God and God is his. Now, why should this Devil, in another world, torment sinners, who are his friends, to please God, his enemy? Â If the Devil is a personification, so is hell and the lake of fire and brimstone. All these horrors fade into allegories; into ignorant lies. Â Any clergyman who can read the Bible and then say that devils are personifications of evil is himself a personification of stupidity or hypocrisy." Â Read the whole thing... Â http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/devil.html Quote
ClimbingPanther Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 Too funny. The offering of daughters to the crowd is one of the many passages not brought up by the Bible thumpers too often. Likely many of them haven't actually read the good book. Â was that a joke? Quote
Seahawks Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 Too funny. The offering of daughters to the crowd is one of the many passages not brought up by the Bible thumpers too often. Likely many of them haven't actually read the good book. Â was that a joke? Â Just shows his ignorance. So maybe it was a joke. Quote
fig8 Posted August 30, 2007 Author Posted August 30, 2007 Too funny. The offering of daughters to the crowd is one of the many passages not brought up by the Bible thumpers too often. Likely many of them haven't actually read the good book. Â was that a joke? Â Just shows his ignorance. So maybe it was a joke. Â Did you guys even watch the video, before you all got your panties in a twist? Â As to bible thumpers, I guess that depends how you define bible thumper. Do you consider yourselves bible thumpers? Is Larry Craig a bible thumper? Do you think he would like it in Lot's home town? Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 As to bible thumpers, I guess that depends how you define bible thumper. Â Channel surf cable or satellite... you'll find a bible thumper. Quote
archenemy Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 The best analysis of this part of the Book is in "The Harlot on the Side of the Road". A good read that includes important contextual, historical, and social framework for the story. Quote
JayB Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 Is there a book of apologetics for just about every line in Deuteronomy as well? Quote
archenemy Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 I take it you haven't read the book. (the one I mentioned) Quote
JayB Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 Nope. It's not in a realm of thought that I'm likely to dedicate much time to. If I read anything concerning Christianity, it's likely to be scholarly histories dealing with who wrote and modified the texts, under what circumstances, and for what purpose as opposed to anything that actually takes the contents of the text itself seriously in their own right. Â If it's a prolonged apology for the tale of Lot, it sounds as though it's something that should be fairly easy to summarize, though. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 Nope. It's not in a realm of thought that I'm likely to dedicate much time to. If I read anything concerning Christianity, Â Christianity? It's in the Torah... and I would not be surprised if the Muslims have it in the Q'uran as well. Â Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 The best analysis of this part of the Book is in "The Harlot on the Side of the Road". A good read that includes important contextual, historical, and social framework for the story. Â I'll take a look on Amazon... Quote
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