lancegranite Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Do I torture myself so? Because we have seen "the other side of life" we are almost worse off, conforming to modern life's rules makes us bristle. The thought of another day wasted working drives me to fits. I just want to climb! PS: Mrs. G & me did manage to get out today...perfect temps and the lady led the hard pitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWolfe Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Because there is a little masochist in all climbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashw_justin Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 sadly, climbing is not everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 sadly, climbing is not everything. No. But work sucks, and I've got my clock until the next long (i.e. many months) vacation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWolfe Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 work hard, play hard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 (edited) No. But work sucks, and I've got my clock until the next long (i.e. many months) vacation. always? you don't like what you do at all? Edited October 12, 2005 by KaskadskyjKozak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 always? you don't like what you day at all? No job I've had yet give me the depth and variety of experiences that climbing, skiing or travelling does. I don't meet as many interesting people, I'm not challenged in the same ways, and there isn't the potential for failure. In short, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 always? you don't like what you day at all? No job I've had yet give me the depth and variety of experiences that climbing, skiing or travelling does. I don't meet as many interesting people, I'm not challenged in the same ways, and there isn't the potential for failure. In short, no. I've only had one job that truly sucked. Took me a year to get out of there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
specialed Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Do I torture myself so? Because we have seen "the other side of life" we are almost worse off, conforming to modern life's rules makes us bristle. The thought of another day wasted working drives me to fits. I just want to climb! PS: Mrs. G & me did manage to get out today...perfect temps and the lady led the hard pitches. Too bad your climbing addiction just perpetuates the situation. Maybe instead of whining about modern life and its evils you should quit contributing to it and get off the grid and move to Alaska and homestead or shut the fuck up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 I dig spending lots of time out in the woods when I can, and one of the reasons is that it reminds me of how easy I've got it compared to all of the generations before me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 how easy I've got it compared to all of the generations before me. All depends on what your skills are and what you want to do, doesn't it? We are after all highly relative creatures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foraker Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 when you see the scratch marks left in the granite at 10000' in the Sierra Nevada, left from immigrant wagon trains, you'll realize how easy we have it. no Big Gulps or air conditioning out there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 when you see the scratch marks left in the granite at 10000' in the Sierra Nevada, left from immigrant wagon trains, you'll realize how easy we have it. no Big Gulps or air conditioning out there... Heaven forbid we live in a world without material posessions I've seen the wagon tracks, toured replicas of the Susan Constant, Godspeed and Discovery, and talked with my ancestors about what the did as immigrants. Materially we have it easy, which means those who've mastered materials are cheap. People who can write with a fountain pen and not smuge aren't valuable anymore. Nothing the like of the opening of the American West, Africa, or Asia will ever happen again. It all depends on what you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 I've seen the wagon tracks, toured replicas of the Susan Constant, Godspeed and Discovery, and talked with my ancestors about what the did as immigrants. Materially we have it easy, which means those who've mastered materials are cheap. People who can write with a fountain pen and not smuge aren't valuable anymore. Nothing the like of the opening of the American West, Africa, or Asia will ever happen again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWolfe Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Do I torture myself so? Because we have seen "the other side of life" we are almost worse off, conforming to modern life's rules makes us bristle. The thought of another day wasted working drives me to fits. I just want to climb! PS: Mrs. G & me did manage to get out today...perfect temps and the lady led the hard pitches. Too bad your climbing addiction just perpetuates the situation. Maybe instead of whining about modern life and its evils you should quit contributing to it and get off the grid and move to Alaska and homestead or shut the fuck up. Yeah, Buddy! A man's gotta find his own way in the world! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 If there is a problem, you are always to blame. There is always something you can do to fix the problem, and you're the one that got yourself into the situation in the first place. Others might my be involved, but in the end you made the decisions that put you in the place you are at. Either learn to enjoy pain, or start running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Sorry Fairweather, I realize I should be pleased to see the ceiling of another f'ing conference room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 how easy I've got it compared to all of the generations before me. All depends on what your skills are and what you want to do, doesn't it? We are after all highly relative creatures. Vaccinations, sanitation, antibiotics, and a permanent agricultural surplus seal the deal for me. Anything stopping you from dropping it all and trying your hand at subsistence farming in the third-world? Homesteading in Alaska? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Anything stopping you from dropping it all and trying your hand at subsistence farming in the third-world? Homesteading in Alaska? We are highly relative creatures, who rationally will take the best available in a given situation. As I'm sure you know many of the societal advantages were available 50 or 100 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ireneo_Funes Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Up to now, we have considered the estrangement, the alienation of the worker, only from one aspect – i.e., the worker’s relationship to the products of his labour. But estrangement manifests itself not only in the result, but also in the act of production, within the activity of production itself. How could the product of the worker’s activity confront him as something alien if it were not for the fact that in the act of production he was estranging himself from himself? After all, the product is simply the resumé of the activity, of the production. So if the product of labour is alienation, production itself must be active alienation, the alienation of activity, the activity of alienation. The estrangement of the object of labour merely summarizes the estrangement, the alienation in the activity of labour itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 It's kind of nice working on a project that might produce a new drug that might someday save the life of a cancer patient. It makes up for at least some of the drugery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ry_guy Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 That must be nice for those of you that find a sence of purpose or meaning in your day to day routine of collecting a paycheck. For me it's not, just some days are less painfull then others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Up to now, we have considered the estrangement, the alienation of the worker, only from one aspect – i.e., the worker’s relationship to the products of his labour. But estrangement manifests itself not only in the result, but also in the act of production, within the activity of production itself. How could the product of the worker’s activity confront him as something alien if it were not for the fact that in the act of production he was estranging himself from himself? After all, the product is simply the resumé of the activity, of the production. So if the product of labour is alienation, production itself must be active alienation, the alienation of activity, the activity of alienation. The estrangement of the object of labour merely summarizes the estrangement, the alienation in the activity of labour itself. Jesus dude, which anthology of continental post-modern labor studies did you dredge that up from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Its from his studies at the University of Alaska. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Jesus dude, which anthology of continental post-modern labor studies did you dredge that up from? He knoweth not his enemy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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