Stefan Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 Lambone: The current sections would be as is. People would ask questions for beta. There would be spray. I am asking for a new place for ONLY trip reports without the potential for any responses. Dru: What I would like to see is a guidebook online. The guidebook would be constantly updated by its users--not updated whenever the author wanted it to be updated. Dru as you know, access to the base of peaks changes with the logging companies if they decide to put up a gate/improve a road/abandon a road. Also the guidebook online would have MORE INFORMATION than what the editors would allow in the books. Hell, look at bivouac.com it is growing by its users and information--and it is updated. There is nothing like bivouac.com on this website--or for the Cascades on any site I have seen. Jon: See above for the idea about guidebook online. I don't have the time, and probably most of your users who have logged on don't have the time either. You are probably online so much, you just assume everybody else has the time. Truth is-we don't all have T1's or DSL's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted October 8, 2002 Author Share Posted October 8, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Stefan: Jon: See above for the idea about guidebook online. I don't have the time, and probably most of your users who have logged on don't have the time either. You are probably online so much, you just assume everybody else has the time. Truth is-we don't all have T1's or DSL's. Do you realize how much work that is to put something like that together? I do because it has been under the works for two years. If you don't have the time to post info and neither does anyone else who the hell going to occupy this online guidebook. You know between my 50+ hour a week job, going climbing and mountain biking once in a while, and training for the Ironman in June I don't have much time either. Oh I run a popular website too where I get about 10 emails a day about how people forgot their passwords or I need to moderate something. I don't have time either but I find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 quote: Originally posted by jon: Hey I got a question for you guys and gals which I don't think we have ever talked about before.... Should we add more forums and/or change the organization for some of them? Is the Route Reporting Category broken up into enough forum or should we break it up more? Thanks for the feedback!!!! Hello????? Jon???? You asked this question. Guess what? I replied. Just becuase I ask, doesn't mean you have to do. Remember, you asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 Rule #1 for moderated forums Do not annoy the moderators Stefan: living on the edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allison Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 Jon, when I hung out with Tim last summer I recall him telling me the WTA database was a major inspiration for the cc.com thing. Something that simple, would that be hard to put up? It's fun to read all of the responses to the TRs but it would be cool if there was a big, really easily searchable d-base for TRs right here, like WTA's. No guidebook, just TRs. As you probably know, the search tool on this site is just OK. Other than that (and chat, Timm@y, we miss our chatter!) the site works very well as is, IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted October 8, 2002 Author Share Posted October 8, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Stefan: quote:Originally posted by jon: Hey I got a question for you guys and gals which I don't think we have ever talked about before.... Should we add more forums and/or change the organization for some of them? Is the Route Reporting Category broken up into enough forum or should we break it up more? Thanks for the feedback!!!! Hello????? Jon???? You asked this question. Guess what? I replied. Just becuase I ask, doesn't mean you have to do. Remember, you asked. Sorry to jump on you like that. I'm known to be intense at times. I think the problem about locking a TR is people may have quesions, though that could be asked in a different thread. Beta requests usually turn into a mini TR. My question was actually very basic in intention. What I want to know is if we should add more forums and what for. Adding forums takes seconds to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allison Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 OK, fair eough, then there should be one forum dedicated to whatever off-topic drool is running down your chin at the moment, a place to talk about music, and the state of the site, and just blab off about any old.....oh, wait, never mind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 A Backcountry Boarding forum would be a worthwhile addition, you could call it, "FRESHIEZ" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Beck: A Backcountry Boarding forum would be a worthwhile addition, you could call it, "FRESHIEZ" Or maybe "Knuckledraggers on Ice." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtngrrrl Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 How about a section for outside North America? It might not see a ton of action, but I bet we'd see some TRs from cool places, plus I'll know where to post my questions since I'm an aspiring jet-setter climber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolyn Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 I like the idea of a 'techniques' forum. I often ask a lot of questions around this subject which Im sure have been asked or brought up many times before. Sometimes I will do a search, but often times it takes more work than it might be worth...easier to just type out a few words and ask again. I think the ice section should be divided into Canada, PNW, and MINNESOTA ( just kidding! ) The idea of adding a "rock" section is a novel one. I think if you seperated that further into sport/trad it would cause even more controversy than what already appears on the site. It seems like there are a lot of great ideas that folks have out there as to how to make this site "bigger and better", "quicker and easier". Yet, its not often you see someone jump up and say, "hey I'll help with this! Let's do it!". (maybe Im wrong and there are, they just dont make it public?) If people want to see changes, its probably going to require a little help...whether that be posting in the right forum, moving posts to the appropriate forum if your a moderator, or stepping forward and volunteering your time/knowledge. Jon and Timmy seem to be somewhat superhuman with all they do, but geeeesh...there is a limit to what even superhumans can do! I would be willing to help because I have gained a lot from this site (both information and opportunites on my trips to the pnw which I wouldnt have had without people from this site). I just dont know what I could do, since I am halfway accross the country and dont have much knowledge of the pnw...or climbing for that matter! Thanks for all you do Jon and Timmy! Its appreciated even from afar! Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icegirl Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 Give Pub Club it's own forum... I know it sounds silly, but if we are talking about saving space, then that's two or three threads a week... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 Stefan, Check this out abridged beta from CC.com . A while back I took some threads that had beta for various things I wanted to try. I saved the source code and edited out all the crap. That left me with peeeyure beta. Later I put 'em on my webpage. I hope noone minds (Jon, Tim), I tried to attribute everything, except maybe in one link (the Backbone Ridge one) where I made this little file way before I ever had any thoughts of sharing it with the world. Anyway, Stefan, if you want a pure beta repository, go ahead and make a couple pages like these and send 'em to me. I'll put them on this page. Or post 'em on your own if you got one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fern Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 I think you need a forum specifically for Dru to post his "news" stories about giant squid and meteorites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 Sounds cool to me. Send me a file! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 Events, Pub Club, Techniques, Dru News, FRESHIEZ...Battle Cage WAS a popular theme a while back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 quote: Originally posted by chucK: Stefan, Check this out abridged beta from CC.com . A while back I took some threads that had beta for various things I wanted to try. I saved the source code and edited out all the crap. That left me with peeeyure beta. Later I put 'em on my webpage. I hope noone minds (Jon, Tim), I tried to attribute everything, except maybe in one link (the Backbone Ridge one) where I made this little file way before I ever had any thoughts of sharing it with the world. Anyway, Stefan, if you want a pure beta repository, go ahead and make a couple pages like these and send 'em to me. I'll put them on this page. Or post 'em on your own if you got one. Unfortunately, I haven't kept any of my trip reports. I know I should to look at them..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Stefan: Jon: See above for the idea about guidebook online. I don't have the time, and probably most of your users who have logged on don't have the time either. You are probably online so much, you just assume everybody else has the time. Truth is-we don't all have T1's or DSL's. It's not as easy as you think. I dont think Jon is assuming anyone has the time to create a new database of info that is already here. I think if you are just patient enough and savvy it will pay off. It's not super convenient but it is there. Searching a database through the web is time consuming but nobody's getting paid on the moderator side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 I heard Timmmay got some 8=D cause he moderated this site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_Martin Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 One idea that has been lost to the discussions which I think is a great idea is a First Ascent Forum. Many First Ascents have been posted on this site throughout the last couple years and I have really enjoyed reading these accounts. I think this might well be worth looking into. Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowell_Skoog Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 I think the current forums are okay. I don't think a separate ski mountaineering forum is necessary. A forum on "pioneering" trips would be handy for people working on guidebooks or history projects, but not essential. My pet wish is a link like "today's posts" that gathers up more than one day. Maybe three days, a week, I don't know. I don't visit cc.com every day, and would find something like that nice for catching up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted October 10, 2002 Author Share Posted October 10, 2002 Ok here is a summary of what I've heard from you guys and will likely add/change. People want a seperate forum for Rock and Alpine. So these are just general talk forums right? This one needs some consideration, as Iain pointed out less can be more and we don't want to make this confusing. Ice will be seperated into Washington, Canada, and Outside PNW forums. Ski forum would be questionable since there are other good ski sites out there, but I think it would be a good place not only to talk about conditions but maybe gear setups with the crowd you know. Rando vs. Tele debates could reside here. Outside North America forum. Tech Talk forum for talking techniques. There have been some very excellent conversations and it would require some help going back and moving topics there. Pub Club forum. Events forum that should be tied to a Calender. First Ascent forum got a nod from Jason. Lowell wants a Pioneering forum and gets it. Thanks for the feedback everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted October 10, 2002 Author Share Posted October 10, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Lowell Skoog: My pet wish is a link like "today's posts" that gathers up more than one day. Maybe three days, a week, I don't know. I don't visit cc.com every day, and would find something like that nice for catching up. The latest topics on the front page is broken (but soon to be fixed) and could work for a couple days. We could make one for 100 days as well. We might switch to Ubb.threads message board which has the feature you are talking about but unfortunately doesn't have the summary of the last post from each thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pindude Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Big Wave Dave: I agree with Iain, less is more. The easier it is to see what folks are up to (or spraying about) the better. I think it adds harmony to the CC community and possibly contributes to world peace. quote: Originally posted by Jon: People want a seperate forum for Rock and Alpine. So these are just general talk forums right? This one needs some consideration, as Iain pointed out less can be more and we don't want to make this confusing. What about about alpine rock, and alpine bouldering, among others? It can be hard to draw distinctions, and many posters to this board have a tough enough time of it as it is. Right on BWD and Iain, I agree it best to keep it simple and the climbing types together. After all many (most?) of us like ALL types of climbing, and would rather not want to see people attempt to separate it. quote: Originally posted by Jon: Ice will be seperated into Washington, Canada, and Outside PNW forums. Oregon, Idaho, western Montana, do you consider them part of the PNW? Don't know much about ice in OR, but it exists a bit in north ID, and there is lots in Big Sky country. quote: Originally posted by Jon: Ski forum would be questionable since there are other good ski sites out there, but I think it would be a good place not only to talk about conditions but maybe gear setups with the crowd you know. Rando vs. Tele debates could reside here. And boarders vs. tele and rando, too. Keep up the good work, Jon and Tim, you're getting well-paid for this, right? Cheers, pindude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimL Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 Why not have an events forum for stuff like Pub Club, Rope-Ups, North Face & Cascade Crags posts, etc..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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