nalo Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 I personally think vantage is great. Beautiful landscape, dry, good concentration of climbs, that descent where the row of columns has separated... cmon guys, you know you love that choss pile! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layton Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/threadz/s...true#Post312051 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Schuldt Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Wait till your there when someone gets bombed and has to hauled out by 'copter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distel32 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 crumbling choss pile 'o' death...... Â I used to think the same as way when I first started climbing.....luckily times have changed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyselinck Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Because they are all just a bunch of sport climbers who should go themselves. If your too good for Vantage, don't go there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nalo Posted December 13, 2004 Author Share Posted December 13, 2004 I'm aware that vantage is the sight of ongoing erosion. Rocks fall. Wear a helmet. Still though, how many thousands pass through that place unscathed for every person that gets injured. And Distel, even though you're way more 'core than I am, I've climbing years longer than you and I still feel the same way I did when I first went there. That place is beautiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layton Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 just using the word "besmirch" makes you uncool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nalo Posted December 13, 2004 Author Share Posted December 13, 2004 Is besmirch even a word? I don't know, and I don't care. And it's that not caring that makes me so uber kewl. And I love vantage, and I don't care what you think. I love vantage, I love crumbling rock and toppling columns and dead climbers, and vantage loves me. We're a family. So go piss and moan about your pathetic, meaningless, emplty little grey lives somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layton Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 you're the one bitching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ade Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 If you don't care what we think then why did you bring it up in the first place retard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 VANTAGE IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOO SUCK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Schuldt Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 So where else are you going to climb when it's wet and cold on the west side? I like Vantage on a weekday in May when the flowers are in bloom. I also like wandering around in the plunge pool and over by the sand dune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 So where else are you going to climb when it's wet and cold on the west side? Â Smithj? Lillooet? Skaha? The Nodder Oh My God? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETT Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 vantage is sweet. i go there specifically for the loose rock. infact, if i wanted to avoid all adventure, i would stay indoors and climb plastic with the rest of you pansy indoor boners. i like to use wood glue to random holds onto my wall to simulate the choss of vantage. now that is good, realistic training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drater Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 So where else are you going to climb when it's wet and cold on the west side? Â Smithj? Lillooet? Skaha? The Nodder Oh My God? Â Or any of the other twenty-odd places in Eastern Washington that are so much better. On second thought, keep going to Vantage. It rocks, make sure all your friends go there with you, Sweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirp Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Nice thing is, the rep' keeps alot of people away. Climbing is more than climbing and most of the most dubious places are some of the best (and offer some of most profound memories) Fisher Towers, Arches, Fossil, Juniper Butte...etc. Â To appreciate an area despite some percieved shortcomings is to truly call yourself a climber. Choss is Boss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 There's choss and then there's sucky, pigeon-shit smeared volcanic dung columns.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Pinnacles Natl Monument in CA is also considered the land of choss, but I climbed there regularly years ago and had a blast. It is a very beautiful park that many non-climbers enjoy. Â Where else can you find towers whose first ascent involved flying a kite over top, landing it on the other side, pulling a rope over and prussiking up? During certain seasons thousands of tarantulas march through the park, peregrins nest on remote cliffs, you can crawl through caves, hear the coyotes calling, hang out in meadows with deer, and ogle oodles of flowers in the spring. Yes, and routes from 5.0 to 5.14. Â I have yet to find the same magic at Vantage. If you do that's great. Enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirp Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 There's choss and then there's sucky, pigeon-shit smeared volcanic dung columns.... Â "Thru suffering we find our true selves." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 There's choss and then there's sucky, pigeon-shit smeared volcanic dung columns.... Those of us who enjoy climbing at Vantage prefer the more dignified term, guano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distel32 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Nalo, you are grossly incorrect. Â I am extremely nerdy and uncool. I don't climb at vantage because the rock sucks, period. I don't feel safe at vantage, thats all. Plus there are 5 better climbing areas within 80mins of my house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 You think it sucks because there isn't much overhanging stuff there. It isn't your favorite style of climbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alasdair Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Vantage would be fine if you are the only person there. But for some reason it is a magnet for new climbers fresh out of the gym. This means lots of people with no awarness of loose rock which creates one of the most dangerous places to climb I have ever been to. Vantage on a nice spring weekend day is a death trap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Q: What is the difference between Vantage and a talus pile? A: Some talus piles are stable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distel32 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Actually Brian, there is quite a bit of overhanging stuff there! lower walls and the caves near the parking lot, but they are choss. I would rather climb more solid choss at cheak where I know the entire wall isn't going to fall down, unlike vantage where a fair number of those pillars just need a good push Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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