Fat skis and Lasers

[Camilo]

I'm thinking about getting some fat skis and am wondering if my Scarpa Lasers will be too low to use for this. Has anybody used Lasers with a fat ski like a Salomon Pocket Rocket? I figure they'll be fine in deep stuff but how about crud?

[thelawgoddess]

why wouldn't they be fine?

[cj001f]

I use Lasers w/ Crossbows (187cm). They're more than fine.

[thelawgoddess]

maybe you need some of THIS action?

[bDubyaH]

Has anybody used Lasers with a fat ski like a Salomon Pocket Rocket? I figure they'll be fine in deep stuff but how about crud?

 

my friend rides this exact setup. works fine

[Camilo]

Thanks for the info. Still deciding whether or not to spend the money. . .

[timplace]

I have several friends that use that combination. It works fine, but they all use their downhill boots in area for more control. They are "crasher" skiers rather than finesse skiers, so it depends a bit on your skiing style. I use Lasers with low, light thermofit liners on Jak BC's -- same dimensions as Pocket Rockets -- and actually prefer the lighter boots to my downhill boots. I turn a whole lot more than my buds.

[thelawgoddess]

They are "crasher" skiers rather than finesse skiers, so it depends a bit on your skiing style.

i think they would prefer to be called "power" skiers. the ones i know don't actually crash much.

[gapertimmy]

pocket rockets... a fat ski?

 

how much weight savings does one get with the laser vs say the denali anyways?

[cj001f]

how much weight savings does one get with the laser vs say the denali anyways?

It's minimal weight savings; even the F1 isn't that much lighter. You do get to use Dynafits, and Dynafits

[cracked]

I wish they made a Denali with dyafit fittings.

 

Hey Scarpa:

[Gaper_Jeffy]

I wish they made an Andrelain with dynafit fittings.

 

Hey Garmont:

 

 

(I actually [seriously] emailed Garmont to ask if they would--they said no)

[Figger_Eight]

I wish they made an Andrelain with dynafit fittings.

 

Hey Garmont:

 

 

(I actually [seriously] emailed Garmont to ask if they would--they said no)

 

I guess that makes sense to match the heaviest, burliest AT boot with the lightest, weakest binding.

[cj001f]

lightest, weakest binding.

lightest, yes

weakest, no

 

There seem to be a number of Euro skimountaineers/tourers who mount Dynafits on fat/burly boards - they obviously like them. Now if they'd just make a brake to fit

 

Ask Garmont to drop their prices 10%. $630

[Gaper_Jeffy]

I guess that makes sense to match the heaviest, burliest AT boot with the lightest, weakest binding.

What is your factual basis for believing they are the "weakest binding"?

[Gaper_Jeffy]

(I just included that icon cause I thought it was cool, no pun intended)

[AlpineK]

I guess that makes sense to match the heaviest, burliest AT boot with the lightest, weakest binding.

What is your factual basis for believing they are the "weakest binding"?

 

No doubt. Just how is it you figure dynafit is the weakest binding.

[iain]

I would hope (I have not used lasers) that the plastic is less stiff in the laser than the denali for touring's sake. The denali xt was really stiff for an AT boot, and the newer one is even stiffer! Don't they have to tack on a dynafit tax to any boot that gets the fittings? like $100 or something, I've heard.

[cj001f]

I would hope (I have not used lasers) that the plastic is less stiff in the laser than the denali for touring's sake.

It's supposed to be less stiff; how much so seems to vary person to person. But then, I've heard all kinds of relative stiffness comparison between boots. Megarides are stiffer than Denalis, no they aren't Adrenalins are stiff, no they aren't

[graupel]

Yes, it costs about $100 at retail to have Dynafit fittings on a boot from a company like Garmont. Garmont actually takes it in the shorts on the Megaride a little in an effort to keep the price from climbing too high.

 

I'm sure their rationale for the non Dynafit components on the Adrenalin is that they believe someone choosing this beefy of a boot is probably going to go for a Naxo, Freeride, or if they are looking for lighter, the Silveretta Pure. I think this is a reasonable assumption. Beefy boot skiers tend to like higher DIN settings, but more importantly, they are used to performance alpine gear and would likely prefer something that resembles it in step-in and release functions for their backcountry kit.

 

From a practical perspective, they would sell more numbers on a less expensive Adrenalin than a more expensive model (as a Dynafit compatible one would be). If there gets to be more buyers of this sort of thing, it might open up options that wouldn't otherwise make sense.

[cj001f]

Garmont actually takes it in the shorts on the Megaride a little in an effort to keep the price from climbing too high.

Substitute "Garmont North America" for "Garmont". Even with the Euro 50% higher than it was 2 years ago you can buy a brandnew 04-05 Megaride online, delivered from Europe for $415. That's $180 less than US retail. You can get Adrenalin's delivered from Europe for $395. That's $240 less than US retail. That's not tariffs or other taxes, that's the markup for the worthless North American distributorships

[cracked]

Either way, there are no dynafit compatible Adrenalines or Denali TTs.

[cj001f]

Either way, there are no dynafit compatible Adrenalines or Denali TTs.

There's a least one pair of Denali's out there. It's nothing a dremel tool, epoxy, some fittings, and some help from Lou can't change

http://wildsnow.com/articles/denali_dynafit_retrofit/denali_dynafit_retrofit.html

[Gaper_Jeffy]

You can get Adrenalin's delivered from Europe for $395. That's $240 less than US retail.

Where the heck you shopping Carl? Mine were ~$485 and since the dollars recent weaking in the past few weeks they are now like $510.

[Figger_Eight]

I guess that makes sense to match the heaviest, burliest AT boot with the lightest, weakest binding.

What is your factual basis for believing they are the "weakest binding"?

 

No doubt. Just how is it you figure dynafit is the weakest binding.

 

I knew some of you wouldn't like that one

 

Since the toe and the heel pieces aren't one unit, a softer flexing ski or a big impact can pre-release a boot - not to mention lower din settings than a Freeride or Naxo.